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Uh, I'll just show you a chord.

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Yes.

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And we just set up a rhythm on one chord

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and I'll start doing
something. Make it up.

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That's good.

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Tell me a little bit about the stage.

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Yeah. It's... look, it's not going to...

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It won't be professional.
It'll just be music.

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Okay.

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Homemade hoopla.

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This is the first time
that I've had a reason

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to play my guitar in three years. So...

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I'm sure you already know it,

14
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but this is just the beginning

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of your new future in this country.

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And I hope that your new
future will be very perfect.

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Very perfect.

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And as you confront the new changes

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that will take place,

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please try and keep your country unique.

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Don't change into something else.

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Keep it unique.

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And now, I will try and tune my guitar.

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<i>Many have always considered Frank Zappa</i>

25
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<i>a rock legend.</i>

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<i>And one of his friends tonight told me</i>

27
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<i>that he wrote and composed music</i>

28
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<i>to the very end.</i>

29
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<i>He was known for elaborate,
unconventional songs,</i>

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<i>often with raunchy lyrics.</i>

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<i>The social commentary in his songs</i>

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<i>targeted the music industry,</i>

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<i>the educational system, and politics.</i>

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<i>In America, Zappa was
denounced by the Church,</i>

35
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<i>had his concerts broken up by the police,</i>

36
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<i>and his records banned by radio stations.</i>

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<i>His wife and all four
children were with him.</i>

38
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<i>They are together tonight</i>

39
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<i>at their Laurel Canyon
area home with friends.</i>

40
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<i>Frank Zappa, dead at 52.</i>

41
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<i>Back to you.</i>

42
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<i>Rolling?</i>

43
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<i>And... yes.</i>

44
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Okay. This aisle here

45
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is where some of the
best-known titles lurk.

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Here's stuff from the <i>Hot Rats.</i>

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Here's the original 24-track
masters of "Dinah-Moe Humm,"

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"Dirty Love," "Montana,"
"Inca Roads," "RDNZL."

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<i>Shut Up n' Play Yer Guitar, Joe's Garage.</i>

50
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Here's <i>Sheik Yerbouti.</i>

51
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<i>Tinsel Town Rebellion,
Drowning Witch, Utopia.</i>

52
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♪ <i>She's a valley girl</i> ♪

53
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♪ <i>Valley girl</i> ♪

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♪ <i>She's a valley girl</i> ♪

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Oh, here's Eric Clapton when
he came over to my house.

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Wild Man Fischer.

57
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Captain Beef heart,

58
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a little jam in the basement.

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And around here,

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down this darkened aisle,

61
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is a collection of videotapes

62
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from when I borrowed
my father's 8mm camera

63
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<i>and made a bunch of movies.</i>

64
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<i>I became obsessed with editing.</i>

65
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<i>And I would edit just
because I liked to edit.</i>

66
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<i>I would splice any 8mm
film that was in the house</i>

67
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<i>to anything else.</i>

68
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<i>When I was little...</i>

69
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I didn't have too much
interest in music at all.

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When I was about,
say, five or six years old

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up until the time I was about 13,

72
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I was interested in chemistry

73
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and especially in explosives.

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<i>I... I learned how to make
gunpowder when I was six.</i>

75
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At that time, my father was working

76
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at a place on the East Coast

77
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called the Edgewood Arsenal.

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<i>Edgewood Arsenal is
where they made poison gas</i>

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<i>during World War ll.</i>

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At <i>Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland,</i>

81
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<i>the Army Chemical Corp
developed the machinery</i>

82
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<i>for producing the nerve gas GB,</i>

83
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<i>which had been developed by Nazi Germany.</i>

84
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<i>And the nerve gas VX, which
was developed in England.</i>

85
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<i>There is enough gas there
and enough gas coming</i>

86
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<i>of the nerve gas variety</i>

87
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<i>to cause the death of
681,481, 000 persons.</i>

88
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Everybody that lived in the project

89
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had to have gas masks in their house

90
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in case the tanks of mustard gas broke.

91
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So the... the toys that I
remember growing up with

92
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were the little chemical beakers
that my father would bring home

93
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<i>and the gas masks that
were hanging in the hall closet.</i>

94
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<i>And I used to wear that out in the yard</i>

95
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<i>and run around in it.</i>

96
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<i>And I thought it was a space helmet.</i>

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♪ <i>Any way the wind blows</i> ♪

98
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♪ <i>ls-a fine with me</i> ♪

99
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♪ <i>Any way the wind blows</i> ♪

100
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♪ <i>It don't matter to me</i> ♪

101
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<i>♪ 'Cause I'm through with-a fussin'... ♪</i>

102
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<i>I had a lot of asthma.</i>

103
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<i>I was very ill.</i>

104
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<i>Almost cacked out a few times
from the climate back there.</i>

105
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<i>And so, he was looking for a place</i>

106
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<i>where I wouldn't be constantly folding up</i>

107
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<i>and a place where he
could earn a better income.</i>

108
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<i>And so, he took a position at
the Naval Postgraduate School</i>

109
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<i>in California, teaching metallurgy.</i>

110
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<i>The last experimentation
that I did with explosives</i>

111
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<i>was when I was about 15 years old.</i>

112
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<i>I'd mixed up this quantity of powder</i>

113
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which consisted of,
uh, regular black powder

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and then flash powder,

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which is 50 percent zinc
and 50 percent sulfur,

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mixed with sugar,

117
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<i>and attempted to set
fire to the high school</i>

118
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<i>that I was attending.</i>

119
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<i>It always seemed to me
that if you could get a laugh</i>

120
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<i>out of something, that was good.</i>

121
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<i>And if you could make life more colorful</i>

122
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<i>than it actually was, that was good.</i>

123
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<i>So, any artist or individual who worked</i>

124
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<i>in those two directions
was doing something good.</i>

125
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<i>My family was really poor.</i>

126
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<i>Not only that, they didn't
like music too much.</i>

127
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<i>So I didn't really come into contact</i>

128
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<i>with musical expression
until 14 or 15 years old.</i>

129
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<i>And my parents were opposed
to any involvement in music</i>

130
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<i>that I might be interested in.</i>

131
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<i>But I remember this magazine
article about Sam Goody.</i>

132
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<i>Was saying what a
wonderful merchandiser he was</i>

133
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<i>because he could even sell an album</i>

134
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<i>that had this ugly music on it.</i>

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<i>The writer described this as, like,</i>

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<i>literally the most frightening thing</i>

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<i>that a human being could listen to.</i>

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<i>This evil, vile album.</i>

139
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<i>The description was
something that stuck with me,</i>

140
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<i>and then a few months later,</i>

141
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<i>I actually saw the album
in a store and bought it.</i>

142
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<i>It was because of that Varèse album</i>

143
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<i>that I read about in a magazine.</i>

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<i>And hearing "ionisation,"</i>

145
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<i>that I... writing orchestra music.</i>

146
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<i>I had no interest in Beethoven, Mozart,</i>

147
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<i>or any of that kind of stuff.</i>

148
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<i>It just didn't sound interesting to me.</i>

149
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<i>I wanted to listen to the man</i>

150
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<i>who could make music
that was that strange.</i>

151
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<i>Because the role of the percussion</i>

152
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<i>in most classical music
is you wait a long time,</i>

153
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<i>and then somebody
goes ping with a triangle.</i>

154
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<i>To me, that was all boring.</i>

155
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<i>But in Varèse's music,</i>

156
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<i>the percussion was playing
an integrated melodic part.</i>

157
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<i>And it was in the foreground.</i>

158
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<i>And since I liked drums,</i>

159
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<i>it was a pleasure for me to listen to it.</i>

160
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<i>I thought it was fantastic.</i>

161
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<i>I couldn't understand why
people just didn't love it</i>

162
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<i>the minute they heard it.</i>

163
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<i>High school in Lancaster</i>

164
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<i>wouldn't be equivalent to
high school any place else</i>

165
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<i>because Lancaster was a small town,</i>

166
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<i>and very few people in the area</i>

167
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<i>liked rhythm and blues music.</i>

168
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And <i>the rest of 'em
were kind of white-bread,</i>

169
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<i>Elvis Presley fanatic types.</i>

170
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<i>And I don't even remember how I met Don.</i>

171
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<i>But he had dropped
out of school by that time</i>

172
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<i>and spent most of his
time staying at home</i>

173
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<i>listening to rhythm and blues records.</i>

174
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<i>So, I used to hang out
over there after school</i>

175
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<i>and listen to Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown</i>

176
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<i>and Guitar Slim,</i>

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<i>Elmore James,</i>

178
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<i>Lowell Fulson,</i>

179
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<i>and Johnny "Guitar" Watson R&B records</i>

180
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<i>till three o'clock in the morning.</i>

181
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<i>Went out of my way to get a hold</i>

182
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<i>of the rhythm and blues records.</i>

183
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<i>And it was very hard to obtain</i>

184
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<i>because most of the white
music stores didn't stock it.</i>

185
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<i>And, uh...</i>

186
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I just heard that music and I liked it

187
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and couldn't understand
why other people didn't like it

188
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as much as I did.

189
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<i>When I first picked
up the guitar, I said,</i>

190
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<i>"How in the world could anybody
get any sound out of this thing</i>

191
00:12:04,432 --> 00:12:06,809
<i>other than the open string sound?"</i>

192
00:12:06,976 --> 00:12:08,686
<i>I couldn't conceive of
what the frets were for.</i>

193
00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:10,897
<i>But when rhythm and blues came along</i>

194
00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,399
<i>and I heard examples
of blues guitar playing,</i>

195
00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,734
<i>I thought that it was
something I really wanted to do.</i>

196
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<i>So, I just taught myself how to do it.</i>

197
00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:19,738
<i>Once I figured out that the pitch changed</i>

198
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<i>when you put your
finger down on the fret,</i>

199
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<i>I was hell on wheels.</i>

200
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<i>♪ You're probably
wondering why I'm here ♪</i>

201
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♪ <i>And so am I</i> ♪

202
00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:30,875
♪ <i>So am I</i> ♪

203
00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:41,886
♪ <i>You're probably wondering</i> ♪

204
00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:45,265
- ♪ <i>Why I'm here</i> ♪
- ♪ <i>Not that it makes</i> ♪

205
00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:47,381
<i>♪ A heck of a lot of difference to ya! ♪</i>

206
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<i>I had my first group playing
other people's material</i>

207
00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,817
<i>when I was about 16 or 17.</i>

208
00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:57,193
<i>It was called The Blackouts.</i>

209
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<i>A racially mixed ensemble.</i>

210
00:13:00,822 --> 00:13:04,575
<i>Which did not go down
well with the, uh, cowboys</i>

211
00:13:04,742 --> 00:13:06,742
<i>and other bigots who lived in this area.</i>

212
00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:09,872
<i>And, uh, we managed to play several jobs,</i>

213
00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:12,542
<i>but the school and the city authorities</i>

214
00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:15,085
<i>were against having it
perform because it was regarded</i>

215
00:13:15,169 --> 00:13:17,547
<i>as a threat to the
decency of the community.</i>

216
00:13:25,555 --> 00:13:27,432
<i>I started writing orchestra music</i>

217
00:13:27,598 --> 00:13:29,934
<i>before I ever wrote a rock and roll song.</i>

218
00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:33,229
<i>And then didn't try
writing any rock and roll</i>

219
00:13:33,396 --> 00:13:34,939
<i>until I was in my 20s.</i>

220
00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:39,444
<i>And as long as a
person has to earn a living</i>

221
00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,363
<i>and if he happens to be a
person who makes music,</i>

222
00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:46,498
<i>he's going to have to do
something to generate an income.</i>

223
00:13:48,578 --> 00:13:51,039
<i>And the more humiliating the conditions</i>

224
00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:53,916
<i>under which the income is generated,</i>

225
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<i>the more the music suffers.</i>

226
00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:00,422
<i>I did earn my living
as a commercial artist</i>

227
00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:02,967
<i>for a little while. I did greeting cards.</i>

228
00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:06,137
<i>I wrote advertising copy for
the place I was working for,</i>

229
00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:09,474
<i>called the Nile Running
Greeting Card Studio.</i>

230
00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:13,394
<i>I talked 'em into letting me do
my own line of greeting cards</i>

231
00:14:13,478 --> 00:14:14,979
<i>on an experimental basis,</i>

232
00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:17,565
<i>and one of 'em was, uh,</i>

233
00:14:17,732 --> 00:14:20,318
<i>"Captured Russian photo shows evidence</i>

234
00:14:20,485 --> 00:14:22,820
<i>of Americans' presence on Moon first."</i>

235
00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:24,863
<i>And you open it up, and there's a picture</i>

236
00:14:24,947 --> 00:14:26,991
<i>of a lunar crater with "Jesus Saves"</i>

237
00:14:27,158 --> 00:14:28,242
<i>inscribed on it.</i>

238
00:14:30,495 --> 00:14:32,955
<i>You are to hang by the
neck until you are dead.</i>

239
00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:35,208
I'll see you in hell.

240
00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:40,254
And they don't take
me seriously, do they?

241
00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:42,924
They're only reporters.
They're all the same, God.

242
00:14:43,091 --> 00:14:45,885
<i>I had scored a couple
of films about that time.</i>

243
00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:47,720
<i>The one that I got paid for,</i>

244
00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,472
<i>I went out and bought a
good guitar and, uh, took over</i>

245
00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:53,518
<i>the debts and the assets
of a recording studio</i>

246
00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:56,729
<i>in a town called Cucamonga, California.</i>

247
00:14:59,148 --> 00:15:00,691
<i>I'm living in this studio.</i>

248
00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:03,193
<i>It doesn't have a bathtub.
It doesn't have a shower.</i>

249
00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:04,529
<i>Doesn't have hot water.</i>

250
00:15:04,695 --> 00:15:07,114
<i>I don't have anything to
eat except peanut butter,</i>

251
00:15:07,198 --> 00:15:09,784
<i>instant mashed potatoes, and coffee.</i>

252
00:15:09,951 --> 00:15:11,751
I go around gathering up pop bottles

253
00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:13,454
<i>so I can buy cigarettes.</i>

254
00:15:13,704 --> 00:15:15,205
<i>But I've got all the
electronic stuff I need</i>

255
00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:16,999
<i>to make recordings.</i>

256
00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:21,045
<i>Well, I've had long hair.</i>

257
00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:23,047
It was shorter than Beatle hair.

258
00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,050
<i>So, there was a certain
amount of resentment</i>

259
00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:28,845
in the community for my
presence there at the studio.

260
00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:34,100
<i>And this mysterious 13.50
an hour recording studio</i>

261
00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,602
<i>was, uh, bad for their community.</i>

262
00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:40,356
So, they designed to,
uh, get me out of there.

263
00:15:41,983 --> 00:15:44,694
<i>Eventually this guy came to me and said</i>

264
00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:48,197
<i>that he was a used car
salesman and that he and the boys</i>

265
00:15:48,364 --> 00:15:50,491
<i>were having a party next Wednesday</i>

266
00:15:50,658 --> 00:15:53,369
<i>and they would like to
have a stag film made.</i>

267
00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,121
<i>And I said, "Are you kidding?"</i>

268
00:15:55,288 --> 00:15:57,623
<i>He said, "Well, we
have about 100 dollars."</i>

269
00:15:57,790 --> 00:15:59,541
And I said, "Well, I
can't make you a movie

270
00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:02,545
for 100 dollars, but how
would you like a nice tape?"

271
00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:06,174
<i>So, that night, we manufactured a tape,</i>

272
00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,343
<i>which was supposed to be sex on tape,</i>

273
00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:12,388
<i>but there's absolutely no
sex involved in this thing.</i>

274
00:16:12,722 --> 00:16:15,308
<i>But suddenly, the next day,</i>

275
00:16:15,516 --> 00:16:18,686
<i>the door swings open
and vice squad officers</i>

276
00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:21,522
<i>from the San Bernardino
Sheriff's Department</i>

277
00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:22,839
<i>come blasting in there.</i>

278
00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:24,650
<i>Pictures. Flash bulbs,</i>

279
00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,652
<i>and it was right out of a bad movie.</i>

280
00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:28,738
<i>They took every tape,</i>

281
00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:32,825
<i>every piece of film in
the studio as evidence.</i>

282
00:16:33,618 --> 00:16:34,994
And I went to jail.

283
00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:44,545
<i>They sentenced me to six months in jail</i>

284
00:16:44,712 --> 00:16:46,631
<i>with all but ten days suspended</i>

285
00:16:46,797 --> 00:16:48,633
<i>plus three years' probation.</i>

286
00:16:51,093 --> 00:16:53,262
♪ <i>It can't happen here</i> ♪

287
00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:56,682
♪ <i>Can't happen here,
can't happen here... ♪</i>

288
00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:13,491
<i>That's the kind of
stuff I had to put up with</i>

289
00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:16,202
<i>living in small-town environments.</i>

290
00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,621
<i>I don't have anything
against small towns.</i>

291
00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:22,505
<i>I think they're wonderful
if you like that kind of stuff.</i>

292
00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:25,503
<i>But it's very difficult
to do the kinds of things</i>

293
00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:28,005
<i>that I do in a small-town situation.</i>

294
00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:33,219
<i>And the only thing I wanted
to do was write music.</i>

295
00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:37,014
<i>And so, if I was ever
going to hear what I wrote,</i>

296
00:17:37,265 --> 00:17:39,225
<i>I would have to put a band together.</i>

297
00:17:41,686 --> 00:17:43,563
♪ <i>Motherly love</i> ♪

298
00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:47,316
♪ <i>Motherly love</i> ♪

299
00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:51,654
<i>♪ Forget about the
brotherly and other-ly love ♪</i>

300
00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:55,074
<i>♪ Motherly love is
just the thing for you ♪</i>

301
00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:57,159
<i>♪ You know your mother's gonna love ya ♪</i>

302
00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,078
<i>♪ Till ya don't know what to do ♪</i>

303
00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:04,349
♪ <i>Nature's been good</i> ♪

304
00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:06,294
♪ <i>To this here band</i> ♪

305
00:18:06,711 --> 00:18:09,213
♪ <i>Don't ever think we're shy</i> ♪

306
00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:11,840
<i>♪ Send us up some little groupies ♪</i>

307
00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,593
♪ <i>And we'll take their hands</i> ♪

308
00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,554
<i>♪ And rock 'em till they sweat and cry ♪</i>

309
00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,222
♪ <i>What you need is</i> ♪

310
00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:20,641
♪ <i>Motherly love</i> ♪

311
00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:22,101
♪ <i>Get it now</i> ♪

312
00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,103
♪ <i>Motherly love</i> ♪

313
00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:28,621
<i>♪ You know I've got a little
motherly love for ya, honey</i> ♪

314
00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:30,943
<i>♪ You know it doesn't bother me at all ♪</i>

315
00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:32,361
<i>♪ That you're only 18 years old ♪</i>

316
00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:35,195
<i>♪ 'Cause I've got a little
motherly love for you, baby</i> ♪

317
00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:48,002
<i>All right. This is a song that
we've been work... working on</i>

318
00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:51,255
in secret for a... a while now.

319
00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:53,090
Going to make an attempt to record it.

320
00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:54,591
If we mess it up, we'll just stop

321
00:18:54,675 --> 00:18:55,725
and do it over again.

322
00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:57,470
It doesn't have a name yet.

323
00:18:57,887 --> 00:19:01,557
But, uh, doesn't really need one.

324
00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:05,435
<i>He was a such a genius in his writing,</i>

325
00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:07,669
<i>and he knew so much
about all the old music.</i>

326
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,023
He was able to marry
all of that together, man.

327
00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:13,152
It was... I... I haven't
heard anything like it

328
00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,321
before or since.

329
00:19:17,365 --> 00:19:19,408
<i>Whatever brought you to Hollywood?</i>

330
00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:22,953
I came in search of Bob Dylan.

331
00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:26,499
And, uh, I came to
see the Lovin' Spoonful.

332
00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:29,460
And I came to get away
from my father, mainly.

333
00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:31,503
And then we started
living on the streets here

334
00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:34,340
because he wasn't too happy
about the overall situation.

335
00:19:43,974 --> 00:19:45,601
<i>So, one night we came in there,</i>

336
00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,185
<i>expecting to see our favorites,</i>

337
00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:48,919
<i>the Grassroots and Billy Preston,</i>

338
00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:50,230
and lo and behold, after two weeks,

339
00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:51,732
they changed the bill.

340
00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,099
And there was a group
called Mothers playing.

341
00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:00,533
<i>The main thing I remember</i>

342
00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,250
<i>is that they played a song
that was 20 minutes long.</i>

343
00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:07,456
<i>And everybody was getting
tired dancing in the middle of it.</i>

344
00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:11,585
And on the second set that you played,

345
00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:14,505
you played a song called
"How Could I Be Such a Fool?"

346
00:20:14,672 --> 00:20:16,298
And I remember listening to that song

347
00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,966
and thinking I'd never heard it before.

348
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,468
And I was really surprised.

349
00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:22,596
I started thinking to myself,
"God, did he write that?"

350
00:20:22,763 --> 00:20:24,473
And when I figured out that you had,

351
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,058
'cause I asked you
after you came <i>off</i> stage,

352
00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:27,143
I was going,

353
00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:29,353
"My god, he's got
talent. I don't believe it."

354
00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:31,564
♪ <i>When I won your love</i> ♪

355
00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:33,858
♪ <i>I was very glad</i> ♪

356
00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:35,860
♪ <i>Every happiness...</i> ♪

357
00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:37,736
<i>Do you think that perhaps you might, uh,</i>

358
00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:40,239
<i>in a year or two be the
new musical messiah?</i>

359
00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:42,241
<i>As in the Beatles and Presley</i>

360
00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:45,158
<i>ten years ago and ten years
before that? Whoever it was.</i>

361
00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:48,372
<i>I can honestly say
that I do not think so.</i>

362
00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:54,879
<i>The Mothers of Invention.</i>

363
00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:09,935
<i>I... I don't remember, in
all the years with Frank,</i>

364
00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:12,938
<i>hearing too many bands that had horns.</i>

365
00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:16,066
Guitar players, you
know, all over the place.

366
00:21:16,233 --> 00:21:19,403
Not too many, uh, bands had horns.

367
00:21:20,863 --> 00:21:22,698
<i>But, you know, at the same time,</i>

368
00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:25,284
<i>I didn't hear any other bands</i>

369
00:21:25,743 --> 00:21:29,038
<i>playing Stravinsky or
classical music or anything.</i>

370
00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:31,916
<i>So, uh, that was fairly unique.</i>

371
00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:33,959
And that made me feel good

372
00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:36,879
about what we were doing musically.

373
00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:44,595
<i>I'm not a weirdo or any
of these other things.</i>

374
00:21:44,804 --> 00:21:47,181
<i>But when you get around other people</i>

375
00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:51,644
<i>that are just naturally
funny and do weird things,</i>

376
00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:56,023
I ended up just feeling very comfortable.

377
00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:59,026
<i>It was exciting in the beginning.</i>

378
00:21:59,193 --> 00:22:00,486
<i>It truly was.</i>

379
00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:05,741
<i>But of course, it was
musically difficult.</i>

380
00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:09,578
<i>Some nights, Frank
would jump up into the air</i>

381
00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:12,706
<i>and come down, and he would expect us</i>

382
00:22:12,873 --> 00:22:15,543
<i>to know what song he was gonna go into.</i>

383
00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,343
You know, a perfectionist here, you know.

384
00:22:19,547 --> 00:22:22,800
<i>That made an impression
that, jeez, well, you know...</i>

385
00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:27,388
<i>So, it became our duty...</i>

386
00:22:28,055 --> 00:22:31,183
<i>to engage in, uh, these kind of things</i>

387
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,811
<i>that... that... that
would make him laugh.</i>

388
00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:38,607
<i>The band wasn't specifically</i>

389
00:22:38,941 --> 00:22:42,111
<i>anything other than Frank's ideas.</i>

390
00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:46,615
And each show was like a composition.

391
00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:50,119
<i>And they happened because the band</i>

392
00:22:50,286 --> 00:22:52,746
<i>is following his direction.</i>

393
00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,167
<i>You know, I used to think,</i>

394
00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:58,543
<i>"Okay, he's called me here,"</i>

395
00:22:58,627 --> 00:22:59,795
<i>and I don't mean in the early days,</i>

396
00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:02,006
<i>I mean in full flower
of playing with him.</i>

397
00:23:02,298 --> 00:23:04,299
We'd talk for a minute,
and then there isn't even

398
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,844
a "Thanks for coming by"
or "Okay, see you later."

399
00:23:07,011 --> 00:23:08,679
<i>He would just turn the other way,</i>

400
00:23:08,846 --> 00:23:10,847
<i>and I would be waiting
for him to turn back to say,</i>

401
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:13,517
<i>"Oh. "But if he turned back,
it would be, "You still here?"</i>

402
00:23:13,601 --> 00:23:15,393
You know, it's like, I was dismissed

403
00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:17,146
without even being dismissed.

404
00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:19,564
And you could interpret
that as being, you know,

405
00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:22,359
what a fucking self-centered asshole.

406
00:23:22,693 --> 00:23:26,238
<i>But I think that he was
just so single-mindedly</i>

407
00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,782
<i>needing to get his work done.</i>

408
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,829
In the four years I was with Frank,

409
00:23:33,996 --> 00:23:37,583
he shook my hand once
and said, "Good job."

410
00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:44,590
<i>I don't ever remember
Frank embracing somebody.</i>

411
00:23:46,342 --> 00:23:50,179
Maybe that was his environment
when he was growing up.

412
00:23:51,472 --> 00:23:55,976
<i>So, I kind of accepted that as...</i>

413
00:23:58,020 --> 00:24:00,940
"Don't get too close, okay?"

414
00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:03,233
And, uh, I didn't.

415
00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:08,614
<i>I must say, this is a rather
unprecedented response</i>

416
00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:10,448
<i>for the bullshit that we do, so sit down</i>

417
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:12,432
and we'll do some more if you like it.

418
00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,795
<i>So... so, it was in April of 1966.</i>

419
00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:26,131
<i>It was at Los Angeles Airport, actually.</i>

420
00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:30,177
<i>I was working as a
secretary at the Whisky,</i>

421
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,888
<i>and there was another girl doing filing.</i>

422
00:24:33,055 --> 00:24:34,848
<i>And little did I know</i>

423
00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,059
<i>that she actually lived with Frank.</i>

424
00:24:37,226 --> 00:24:38,626
<i>She shared a house with him.</i>

425
00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:40,562
<i>And she got a phone call.</i>

426
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:42,272
<i>And it was Frank.</i>

427
00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:45,359
<i>And he said, "Come pick me up."</i>

428
00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,111
The night that I went to
pick you up at the airport,

429
00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:49,738
and when I told you that I was bringing

430
00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:51,031
this lovely young thing with me

431
00:24:51,115 --> 00:24:53,075
because she was a lovely young thing.

432
00:24:53,242 --> 00:24:54,534
<i>And you needed to get some action.</i>

433
00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,203
<i>And you said, "No, come alone."</i>

434
00:24:56,370 --> 00:24:57,788
And so, I said, "Okay."

435
00:24:57,955 --> 00:24:59,539
So, I took her with me to the airport.

436
00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:01,708
And then we brought you home.
We went and got those steaks,

437
00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:03,877
<i>and I gave her my black slip to sleep in.</i>

438
00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,128
<i>And you guys slept in my room</i>

439
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:07,130
<i>'cause I had the only
double bed in the house.</i>

440
00:25:07,214 --> 00:25:08,924
- Mm.
- And I slept on the couch.

441
00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:10,467
And you waited and took
her to work at the Whisky

442
00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:11,802
in the morning.

443
00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:14,513
<i>It was that weekend,
and... and she called</i>

444
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,764
<i>on the phone. You said,</i>

445
00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,557
"Tell her if she wants
to fuck to come over."

446
00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:19,392
And I said, "Huh, I
can't say that to her.

447
00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:21,145
You'll have to say it yourself."

448
00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:23,146
And so you did. And then she came over

449
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,816
<i>and you guys were on the couch fucking.</i>

450
00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:49,840
<i>One thing that I'm very clear about</i>

451
00:25:50,007 --> 00:25:51,842
<i>is I married a composer.</i>

452
00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:54,260
I don't know about whatever
he is to anybody else,

453
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:57,347
but to me he was a composer.

454
00:25:57,598 --> 00:26:01,018
And you have to be out of your mind

455
00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:04,730
to begin with to take it on.

456
00:26:05,439 --> 00:26:07,357
<i>There's no guarantee
that you're ever going to be</i>

457
00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:08,859
<i>able to earn an income.</i>

458
00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:11,820
<i>No one cares about what composers do.</i>

459
00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:14,364
And everything is against you.

460
00:26:14,531 --> 00:26:18,911
Absolutely everything is against you,

461
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:21,747
which makes the odds pretty fantastic.

462
00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:25,709
<i>The guy who came to see us, Tom Wilson,</i>

463
00:26:25,876 --> 00:26:28,378
<i>was having a good time with some girls.</i>

464
00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:31,381
<i>And he was dragged to the Whisky a Go Go</i>

465
00:26:31,632 --> 00:26:33,175
<i>to witness one of our songs,</i>

466
00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:36,136
<i>which happened to be
a blues kind of a number.</i>

467
00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:40,057
<i>He said, "Oh. White blues
band. Okay, we'll sign them,"</i>

468
00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:42,392
<i>and signed the group</i>

469
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,728
<i>and then went right back to the girls.</i>

470
00:26:46,355 --> 00:26:48,357
<i>I don't think Wilson</i>

471
00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:50,651
heard a lot of the other things

472
00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:54,071
because when we went into the studio,

473
00:26:54,238 --> 00:26:56,323
<i>he was totally surprised.</i>

474
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:58,325
<i>And I'm sure he wasn't sure</i>

475
00:26:58,534 --> 00:27:01,120
whether this was going to sell or not.

476
00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:03,288
<i>And we were out there.</i>

477
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,507
<i>This is a number we always play</i>

478
00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:15,717
<i>when people ask us to play more.</i>

479
00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:17,385
Because we know that after we play this,

480
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:20,722
they couldn't possibly
ever want to hear us again.

481
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:26,728
We're going to play a piece of music

482
00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:28,564
that was written by Edgar Varèse,

483
00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:30,482
<i>called "Octandre."</i>

484
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:45,038
<i>Do you consider that your group</i>

485
00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:47,082
<i>is just as talented
and as skilled as, say,</i>

486
00:27:47,166 --> 00:27:48,750
<i>men from a symphony orchestra?</i>

487
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:50,877
<i>Oh, I... I think there
are definitely things</i>

488
00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:53,380
<i>that this group of
musicians can do that you...</i>

489
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,383
<i>you wouldn't be able to find
symphony musicians to do.</i>

490
00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:57,926
<i>Because not only do they manipulate</i>

491
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:59,344
<i>their instruments with great skill,</i>

492
00:27:59,428 --> 00:28:01,137
<i>but they have to do it all from memory.</i>

493
00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:03,891
<i>And they have to do it with choreography.</i>

494
00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:05,809
<i>You insist on very high</i>

495
00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:07,519
<i>and exacting standards.</i>

496
00:28:07,978 --> 00:28:09,062
Yeah. I have to insist on them.

497
00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,064
I don't always get them,
but I have to insist on them.

498
00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:12,607
I think if you shoot any lower than that,

499
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:14,526
you're going to wind up
with something sleazy.

500
00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:15,819
So, we try and... like,

501
00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:17,362
the parts are real complicated,

502
00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:18,696
so if you don't stay on it

503
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,430
and make sure everything is right

504
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,659
you don't get an accurate performance.

505
00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:25,412
<i>Man, we would go in</i>

506
00:28:25,579 --> 00:28:28,707
<i>for a minimum eight, ten, twelve hours.</i>

507
00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:31,084
<i>I mean, you know, drinking black coffee.</i>

508
00:28:31,251 --> 00:28:32,920
He wouldn't stop.

509
00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:35,756
I mean, it was, you
know, it's like, "God ."

510
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,181
<i>It didn't matter if it was Christmas</i>

511
00:28:38,342 --> 00:28:39,676
<i>or Thanksgiving or whatever, man.</i>

512
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,970
<i>We were going to rehearse and, you know,</i>

513
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:45,224
<i>make sure that we were
ready to... to play the music</i>

514
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:49,394
<i>because he was just writing
all the time. All the time.</i>

515
00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:52,439
<i>So, we were always introducing stuff.</i>

516
00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:54,358
<i>It was, uh,</i>

517
00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,319
a very unusual approach, I think.

518
00:28:58,153 --> 00:29:00,239
♪ Ooh, <i>I remember</i> ♪

519
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:05,827
<i>♪ Those wonderful dances in El Monte ♪</i>

520
00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:09,498
<i>♪ Ba-da-da-da Der-duh-duh-duh-duh ♪</i>

521
00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:17,047
Interviewer:

522
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:35,607
♪ <i>It can't happen here</i> ♪

523
00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:46,827
<i>But we were never that
popular in Los Angeles.</i>

524
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,664
<i>Our market really wasn't the
peace, love, hippie type people.</i>

525
00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:52,416
<i>That wasn't our market.</i>

526
00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:55,335
<i>Hippies did not like
us because we didn't do</i>

527
00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,152
<i>the things that they approved of.</i>

528
00:29:59,381 --> 00:30:00,549
<i>Compared to New York,</i>

529
00:30:00,716 --> 00:30:03,135
<i>Los Angeles is a very
conforming community.</i>

530
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:05,719
<i>When we moved to New York</i>

531
00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:07,347
<i>there was virtually no scene at all.</i>

532
00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:09,349
<i>There was no long-haired anything there.</i>

533
00:30:09,433 --> 00:30:11,685
<i>People looked at us
like we were from Venus.</i>

534
00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:15,063
♪ <i>Freedom, freedom</i> ♪

535
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:17,065
♪ <i>Kindly loving</i> ♪

536
00:30:17,232 --> 00:30:21,236
♪ <i>You'll be absolutely free</i> ♪

537
00:30:21,403 --> 00:30:23,488
♪ <i>Only if you want to be</i> ♪

538
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:25,991
A <i>lot of people have associated you,</i>

539
00:30:26,158 --> 00:30:28,327
<i>rightly or wrongly, with the drug culture</i>

540
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,912
<i>that came into being in
the '60s about the same time</i>

541
00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:32,846
<i>as your music first became prominent.</i>

542
00:30:33,332 --> 00:30:35,625
<i>First of all, I have nothing
to do with the drug culture.</i>

543
00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:36,918
<i>I don't use drugs,</i>

544
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:39,421
<i>and I don't advise other
people to use drugs.</i>

545
00:30:39,796 --> 00:30:41,798
<i>And a lot of the things
that I think are wrong</i>

546
00:30:41,882 --> 00:30:42,982
<i>with the society today</i>

547
00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:46,511
<i>are a direct result of
people using drugs.</i>

548
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:50,096
<i>It's so prevalent that
if you don't use drugs,</i>

549
00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:51,600
<i>people think you're weird.</i>

550
00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:57,397
<i>The Beatles played in Hamburg,</i>

551
00:30:57,564 --> 00:30:59,816
<i>and they had their way with this club</i>

552
00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:01,318
<i>for months on end.</i>

553
00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:03,737
<i>And in a similar way,
Frank had the Garrick.</i>

554
00:31:03,904 --> 00:31:05,321
<i>You get to work out what you want to do.</i>

555
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,405
<i>You get to experiment with the audience.</i>

556
00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,619
<i>You get to really be
intimate with an audience.</i>

557
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:14,664
<i>That really helped Frank to perfect</i>

558
00:31:14,831 --> 00:31:17,709
<i>what he could get away with on stage.</i>

559
00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:21,755
<i>The attention to the theatrical side grew</i>

560
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,172
<i>when we moved to New York</i>

561
00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:25,717
<i>and had to do a show every night.</i>

562
00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:29,012
<i>The bulk of what could be classified</i>

563
00:31:29,179 --> 00:31:31,681
<i>as theater of cruelty took
place at the Garrick Theater</i>

564
00:31:31,765 --> 00:31:33,016
<i>in '67.</i>

565
00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:37,646
<i>And that was a unique situation
because it was the same people</i>

566
00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:40,213
<i>who kept coming back
to the theater all the time.</i>

567
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,527
<i>It was part of, uh, this
little routine that we had</i>

568
00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:45,194
<i>with the two or three hundred people</i>

569
00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:47,531
<i>that made up the audience at the Garrick.</i>

570
00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:50,158
<i>We'd get out and play,</i>

571
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:53,036
and Frank would start
abusing people in the audience,

572
00:31:53,203 --> 00:31:55,122
you know, or calling people up.

573
00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:58,166
Or turning his back on
the audience, saying,

574
00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:01,420
"You know, let's run through
this," and ignoring them.

575
00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:02,921
And they... they loved it.

576
00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:11,471
<i>For Frank, his measure of success</i>

577
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,058
<i>is how close did you get</i>

578
00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:17,561
to the realization

579
00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:23,358
of the idea that you first
heard the first time you heard it?

580
00:32:23,692 --> 00:32:27,404
If you get anywhere near
that, you can call it a success.

581
00:32:27,571 --> 00:32:29,781
But most of the time,
you never even get close.

582
00:32:29,865 --> 00:32:31,741
<i>'Cause you have to rely
on all these other people</i>

583
00:32:31,825 --> 00:32:33,618
<i>to do all this other stuff.</i>

584
00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:37,178
You know, people like
musicians and things like that.

585
00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:42,543
<i>To do the kind of music
theater that we were doing,</i>

586
00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,379
<i>you needed people who weren't afraid</i>

587
00:32:44,463 --> 00:32:47,632
<i>to act up on a stage
and do ludicrous things.</i>

588
00:32:48,383 --> 00:32:50,783
<i>'Cause that was part of
what the music was saying</i>

589
00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:52,720
<i>that the whole world
was absolutely absurd,</i>

590
00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:55,154
<i>and so, here it is. We're
giving it back to you.</i>

591
00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:58,310
<i>In fact, if we hadn't left Los Angeles,</i>

592
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,188
<i>we would have just
evaporated after the first album.</i>

593
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,440
One, <i>two, three.</i>

594
00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:06,735
♪ Oh <i>no, I don't believe it</i> ♪

595
00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:11,698
<i>♪ You say that you think you
know the meaning of love ♪</i>

596
00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:17,496
♪ <i>You say love is all we need</i> ♪

597
00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:21,082
<i>♪ You say with your love you can change ♪</i>

598
00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:24,252
<i>♪ All of the fools, all of the hate ♪</i>

599
00:33:24,419 --> 00:33:28,006
<i>♪ I think you're probably out to lunch ♪</i>

600
00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:35,430
<i>I was a percussion major at Juilliard.</i>

601
00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:37,147
<i>I mean, this was back in the...</i>

602
00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:40,435
the times of dynasties in music.

603
00:33:41,728 --> 00:33:43,522
<i>I thought that I would love it,</i>

604
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:46,399
and all of that derailed for me,

605
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,026
it just crashed and burned,

606
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,238
when I heard my first
Frank Zappa concert.

607
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:53,406
<i>I just suddenly realized,</i>

608
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,973
<i>"I don't want to be a
timpanist in an orchestra."</i>

609
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:57,994
<i>And I don't want to be a triangle player</i>

610
00:33:58,078 --> 00:33:58,978
<i>"in an orchestra."</i>

611
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,498
To have to sit in the back row on stage

612
00:34:01,665 --> 00:34:03,625
to play my three triangle notes.

613
00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,002
That was not anything that appealed to me

614
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:09,089
from the moment I heard Frank's music.

615
00:34:09,256 --> 00:34:12,050
<i>And it's not that I was
inexperienced as a listener</i>

616
00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:16,012
with other popular music or
music theater or any of that.

617
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,641
<i>Frank embodied everything.</i>

618
00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:24,479
Everything that showed
me in that one concert

619
00:34:24,729 --> 00:34:26,565
<i>that I wanted to do that.</i>

620
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,820
I would sit in my
orchestration classes at Juilliard

621
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,863
<i>in my baroque history.</i>

622
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:37,701
These classes taught by
the greatest people on Earth.

623
00:34:38,285 --> 00:34:40,996
<i>One day, I was in one of
the piano practice rooms</i>

624
00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:43,623
<i>and I was absolutely not
even allowed to be there</i>

625
00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:45,834
<i>because "That's just for the pianists."</i>

626
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,338
And there I would be,
trying to recall the melody

627
00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,424
or the melodic shape of "Oh No."

628
00:34:53,508 --> 00:34:55,010
<i>Nobody was there.</i>

629
00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:57,596
<i>And on this fabulous grand piano,</i>

630
00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:00,974
I played that piece to
the best of my recollection.

631
00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:04,394
<i>And I can't tell you,
probably within 30 seconds,</i>

632
00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:07,272
an officer of the school came in.

633
00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:08,732
<i>"What are you doing?"</i>

634
00:35:09,024 --> 00:35:11,276
<i>"I'm just playing this beautiful music."</i>

635
00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:14,237
"Doesn't sound like any music
you're supposed to be playing here."

636
00:35:14,321 --> 00:35:16,239
<i>"And I said," It's 20th-century music.</i>

637
00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:18,824
<i>What are you talking about?
It's by a living composer."</i>

638
00:35:18,908 --> 00:35:19,909
"Get out."

639
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,540
<i>And if you were to hear
that piece on the piano,</i>

640
00:35:25,707 --> 00:35:27,667
<i>it could live in a concert hall.</i>

641
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,795
<i>It was that type of music
that he could produce</i>

642
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:34,174
<i>that was a product of
everything that was in him.</i>

643
00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,426
But you couldn't really categorize it.

644
00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:39,303
You couldn't say, "Oh yeah,
that's rock and roll,"'cause it wasn't.

645
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,037
"It's jazz." No. It really wasn't.

646
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:42,739
"It's pop music." No. Not at all.

647
00:35:43,058 --> 00:35:44,476
<i>Well, what the hell is it?</i>

648
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:46,478
It's Zappa.

649
00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,944
<i>And I knew that it had changed my life.</i>

650
00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:56,112
<i>That's the thing.</i>

651
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,823
<i>I didn't live my life and
then look back on it and go,</i>

652
00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:01,451
<i>"Yeah. That was the
life-changing moment."</i>

653
00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:04,996
I walked out of that theater,
and I was actually disoriented.

654
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:08,416
I... my whole world had been shaken up.

655
00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:13,546
And Frank recently came
back from a town near Brussels

656
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,591
where they had a kind of
a European pop festival.

657
00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:18,968
How did you communicate with these kids

658
00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:21,471
who speak Walloon, who speak Flemish,

659
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:23,932
who speak, uh, sort
of a dialect of French?

660
00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:26,768
- What did...
- I only talked to them once.

661
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:28,269
What did you say?

662
00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:30,104
I said, "I'm really glad
that you... you guys

663
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,899
had a pop festival in spite
of the French government."

664
00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:35,026
It's really very square.

665
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,569
It's just very depressing, you know,

666
00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:39,030
to think of what Paris
used to be famous for...

667
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:44,828
Go ahead, bleep it.

668
00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:46,621
Oh, Frank.

669
00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,876
Well, in the past Paris
was famous for its...

670
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:53,294
But now it...

671
00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:57,381
Frank, you're going to
kill the tourist business

672
00:36:57,465 --> 00:36:59,050
as far as the French are concerned.

673
00:36:59,134 --> 00:37:00,176
I hope so.

674
00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:02,804
Fr... France ought
to get its... together.

675
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,351
<i>You know, when you look at stuff now,</i>

676
00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:10,395
I mean, e... everything goes.

677
00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:12,021
And it also brings to mind,

678
00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:14,733
because we played with Lenny Bruce,

679
00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:20,405
you know, how difficult it was
in terms of your language, uh,

680
00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:22,949
that people would not accept.

681
00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:25,951
<i>Lenny Bruce had a</i>...
<i>an incredible impact,</i>

682
00:37:26,035 --> 00:37:27,328
<i>an incredible influence.</i>

683
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,791
<i>But, you know, Frank's
influence was really, really strong.</i>

684
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:35,962
And... and it instantly
just, like, made a beeline

685
00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:39,966
<i>for the most influential
archetypes and figureheads</i>

686
00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:43,928
<i>in rock music. You know,
if you listen to Sgt. Pepper.</i>

687
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,721
<i>It was obvious that the Beatles knew</i>

688
00:37:45,805 --> 00:37:47,640
<i>what... what was going on with Frank.</i>

689
00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:51,352
They've explicitly said that
Sgt. Pepper was our attempt

690
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:52,979
to make our own <i>Freak Out!</i>

691
00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:56,441
<i>And the inner spread of the album,</i>

692
00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,235
<i>whether Frank liked it or
not, was powerful and iconic,</i>

693
00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:01,320
and... and, you know,
the... the record company

694
00:38:01,404 --> 00:38:03,554
were not wrong in terms
of making an impact.

695
00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:04,990
<i>It definitely made an impact.</i>

696
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,327
But Frank didn't think of it.

697
00:38:07,494 --> 00:38:09,704
So there's a part of
him that just bristled

698
00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:12,248
because it wasn't his baby, you know.

699
00:38:12,415 --> 00:38:15,084
<i>And the second album,
he put his foot down.</i>

700
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,420
<i>Not only was he in
charge of... of the artwork</i>

701
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:20,298
<i>and he did his own
collage on the back cover,</i>

702
00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:22,926
<i>but if he had had the
time and inclination,</i>

703
00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:26,554
<i>he could have continued on
doing his own album artwork.</i>

704
00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,771
<i>And... and it would
have been fascinating.</i>

705
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:33,520
<i>But I think when Cal
Schenkel crossed his path</i>

706
00:38:33,853 --> 00:38:36,231
<i>and he saw somebody
that got what he was doing</i>

707
00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:39,234
<i>and could capture it
and could also focus on it</i>

708
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,569
<i>exclusively while, you
know, Frank would look</i>

709
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,103
<i>over Cal's shoulder and
say, "Try that, try that."</i>

710
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,699
<i>Frank just hands him his head,
and you get just amazing cover</i>

711
00:38:46,783 --> 00:38:47,951
<i>after amazing cover.</i>

712
00:38:48,243 --> 00:38:49,786
<i>And that... it's beautiful</i>

713
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:51,744
<i>'cause they built a world together.</i>

714
00:38:51,913 --> 00:38:55,583
<i>Those album covers plays
into that thing of feeling</i>

715
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:58,211
<i>like you're part of an
alternative movement.</i>

716
00:39:12,267 --> 00:39:15,228
<i>There had already been two
other Sgt. Pepper parodies</i>

717
00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:18,273
<i>by the time that our package was ready.</i>

718
00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:22,110
<i>And MGM was panic stricken</i>

719
00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:24,571
<i>that they would be sued by The Beatles</i>

720
00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:26,656
<i>and wanted legal assurance</i>

721
00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,741
<i>that The Beatles weren't
going to harm them</i>

722
00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:30,275
<i>for putting this package out.</i>

723
00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:34,163
<i>And all the legal gyrations
took about 13 months.</i>

724
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:44,716
<i>I know I talked personally</i>

725
00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:46,842
<i>to McCartney at one time
and said that, you know,</i>

726
00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:48,803
<i>"The record company is
panic stricken over this,</i>

727
00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:50,637
<i>and can you do anything to help me?"</i>

728
00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:53,599
<i>And it was like he was on the other end
of the line, taking the phone and going,</i>

729
00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:56,394
<i>"You mean, you talk about business?"</i>

730
00:39:57,687 --> 00:40:00,690
<i>Like, "Oh, we have lawyers who do that."</i>

731
00:40:01,274 --> 00:40:04,694
<i>He just had no interest in
participating in a discussion</i>

732
00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:06,321
<i>of the legal ramifications</i>

733
00:40:06,487 --> 00:40:08,448
<i>of a parody of the Sgt. Pepper cover.</i>

734
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:11,659
<i>That was at a time when it
was very, very unfashionable</i>

735
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:14,043
<i>to be a businessman or
even to have any contact</i>

736
00:40:14,162 --> 00:40:15,663
<i>to the world of commerce.</i>

737
00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:18,332
<i>I mean, people were
living in a dream world.</i>

738
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:20,000
<i>How did they expect to earn a living</i>

739
00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:23,254
<i>doing their music if they
didn't have some idea</i>

740
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,005
<i>that the people who were distributing it</i>

741
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:26,925
<i>were only there to steal from them?</i>

742
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,554
<i>Most of the artists that I knew
were too busy getting ripped.</i>

743
00:40:32,972 --> 00:40:34,641
<i>If you just got high and went out</i>

744
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,102
<i>and did your groovy music
and, you know, then there were</i>

745
00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:40,772
<i>business people who
took care of that other stuff.</i>

746
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:49,989
It's time for a revolution
but probably not in the terms

747
00:40:50,073 --> 00:40:51,532
that people imagine it.

748
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:55,369
The thing that's wrong
today is that the... the people

749
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:59,040
who are in control of the
media and the government

750
00:40:59,207 --> 00:41:01,876
and, you know, things
that... that run the lives

751
00:41:02,043 --> 00:41:04,212
of the average person in the street,

752
00:41:04,712 --> 00:41:06,046
they aren't doing a good job of it

753
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:07,674
'cause they don't really care.

754
00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,801
Why don't you run for president?

755
00:41:09,968 --> 00:41:11,802
I thought about it a
number of times before.

756
00:41:11,886 --> 00:41:14,097
And then the thing that
always holds me back

757
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,974
is that what would it feel like
to actually be the president,

758
00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:19,158
you know, and have to
stay in Washington DC

759
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,397
in a house for four years?
That'd be pretty grim.

760
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:37,870
A <i>lot of what we do is
designed to annoy people</i>

761
00:41:38,037 --> 00:41:40,437
<i>to the point where they
might, just for a second,</i>

762
00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,542
<i>question enough of their environment</i>

763
00:41:42,709 --> 00:41:44,085
<i>to do something about it.</i>

764
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,340
<i>As long as they don't
feel their environment,</i>

765
00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:50,883
<i>they don't worry about it.</i>

766
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:53,260
They're not going to
do anything to change it.

767
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:54,844
And something's got to be done

768
00:41:54,971 --> 00:41:58,099
before America scarfs
up the world and shits on it.

769
00:41:58,349 --> 00:42:01,060
<i>♪ We are the other people
We are the other people ♪</i>

770
00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:04,230
<i>♪ We are the other people
You're the other people too ♪</i>

771
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,025
♪ <i>Found a way to get to you</i> ♪

772
00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:10,695
<i>♪ We are the other people
We are the other people ♪</i>

773
00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:13,865
<i>♪ We are the other people
You're the other people too ♪</i>

774
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:16,951
♪ <i>Found a way to get to you</i> ♪

775
00:42:18,327 --> 00:42:20,747
<i>♪ Do you think that I love you... ♪</i>

776
00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,665
<i>I wasn't in the United States</i>

777
00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:25,084
<i>when Moon was born. I was on the road.</i>

778
00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:26,877
<i>As I walked out the
door to get on the bus,</i>

779
00:42:26,961 --> 00:42:30,465
<i>"I said," Well, if it's
a girl, name it Moon,</i>

780
00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,481
<i>and if it's a boy, name it Motorhead."</i>

781
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,080
<i>In California, actor Ronald Reagan</i>

782
00:43:44,247 --> 00:43:46,081
<i>and Mrs. Reagan
arrive to cast their votes</i>

783
00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:47,834
<i>in the state's primary election.</i>

784
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:50,503
<i>He's the Republican nominee for governor.</i>

785
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:52,880
<i>It's his first political contest.</i>

786
00:43:57,552 --> 00:44:00,179
<i>Reagan was the governor of California.</i>

787
00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:06,602
<i>And there was a freak contingent
starting in LA at the time.</i>

788
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:11,566
<i>And in those days, if you
had long hair in this town</i>

789
00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:13,401
<i>and you were driving a car,</i>

790
00:44:13,568 --> 00:44:15,444
<i>it was such an infrequent occurrence</i>

791
00:44:16,028 --> 00:44:18,155
<i>that people would
actually wave to each other.</i>

792
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,491
<i>That's how... what a tigh... what a small</i>

793
00:44:20,658 --> 00:44:22,618
<i>and tight community it was.</i>

794
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:25,246
<i>Well, Frank was considered</i>

795
00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:28,207
<i>by everyone on the strip
and all the people in the clubs</i>

796
00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:31,794
to be sort of the... I
mean, the ersatz Pied Piper

797
00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:33,004
of Laurel Canyon.

798
00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:35,589
He was right in the
center of it in the log cabin,

799
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,800
which was Tom Mix's old cabin

800
00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:40,344
<i>with his horse buried
under the bowling alley.</i>

801
00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:41,845
People can't believe
these kind of things.

802
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:44,014
With Houdini's house
right across the street.

803
00:44:44,098 --> 00:44:47,476
<i>And he... he was this centrifugal force</i>

804
00:44:47,852 --> 00:44:49,228
<i>of Laurel Canyon.</i>

805
00:44:49,854 --> 00:44:51,230
<i>Any kind of rock star,</i>

806
00:44:51,397 --> 00:44:53,190
<i>especially the British
guys who came to town,</i>

807
00:44:53,274 --> 00:44:56,277
<i>wanted to meet Frank. So, we would,</i>

808
00:44:56,444 --> 00:44:58,154
<i>you know, meet these rock stars,</i>

809
00:44:58,321 --> 00:44:59,655
<i>and they right away would say,</i>

810
00:44:59,739 --> 00:45:01,449
<i>"C... can we meet Zappa?"</i>

811
00:45:01,616 --> 00:45:03,700
<i>So, of course, Jagger
was there, the Stones,</i>

812
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:05,620
<i>and all the local bands too.</i>

813
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:06,829
<i>But Jeff Beck, I mean.</i>

814
00:45:06,913 --> 00:45:08,747
<i>Any... anybody you
can think of at that time.</i>

815
00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:13,044
<i>It was the center of
the world at that point.</i>

816
00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:15,296
♪ A <i>brown felt top hat ♪</i>

817
00:45:15,463 --> 00:45:17,006
♪ <i>Wrapped with a bow ♪</i>

818
00:45:17,173 --> 00:45:19,008
<i>♪ Yellow wrap-around girl-watchers ♪</i>

819
00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:20,551
♪ <i>That never show</i> ♪

820
00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:22,268
♪ <i>His blue eyes, his blue eyes ♪</i>

821
00:45:22,428 --> 00:45:24,138
♪ <i>What a fantastic disguise</i> ♪

822
00:45:24,305 --> 00:45:27,391
<i>♪ He's so grand and
fantastic, so wonderful ♪</i>

823
00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:31,062
<i>Frank suggested, since he
had started a record label,</i>

824
00:45:31,229 --> 00:45:35,066
<i>that we actually become our own group.</i>

825
00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:36,699
It was very ra... unusual.

826
00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:38,861
I mean, there were no
rock... Girl rock bands at all

827
00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:41,906
or rock groups. We
didn't play any instruments.

828
00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:46,369
<i>And he wanted us just to
capture our lives in Laurel Canyon,</i>

829
00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:47,453
<i>on the Strip.</i>

830
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:49,538
<i>He thought we had something to say.</i>

831
00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:53,668
<i>He always liked to
preserve moments in time.</i>

832
00:45:54,669 --> 00:45:57,588
<i>Uh, what kind of, uh,
girls are these groupies?</i>

833
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,923
<i>Well, not all of 'em
are groupies, you know.</i>

834
00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:02,426
Some girls that will readily
admit that they are groupies

835
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:04,860
have a very special sort
of mentality, you know,

836
00:46:05,012 --> 00:46:07,598
and they... they aspire to that position.

837
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:10,851
But there are other girls who would
never admit that they are groupies,

838
00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:13,271
<i>but who function in that capacity anyway.</i>

839
00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:15,439
And <i>the... what about, uh, your wife?</i>

840
00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:17,650
I mean, does she like it?

841
00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,567
Well, she's become accustomed to it

842
00:46:19,652 --> 00:46:21,112
over a period of years.

843
00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:25,533
<i>Well, early, early days,</i>

844
00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:28,577
I did not notice any messing around.

845
00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:31,163
<i>When... when Moon was a little baby,</i>

846
00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:32,831
<i>and then she got pregnant with Dweezil,</i>

847
00:46:32,915 --> 00:46:34,959
<i>and she insisted they leave that scene.</i>

848
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:36,210
<i>I remember that.</i>

849
00:46:36,419 --> 00:46:37,420
Okay, that's it.

850
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,422
She... she was having another kid.

851
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:43,301
<i>And, uh, you know, I
don't think she liked it.</i>

852
00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:46,136
<i>She didn't. In fact, I
know she didn't like it,</i>

853
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,014
<i>but she knew about it.</i>

854
00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:50,599
<i>I'm a human being, you know.</i>

855
00:46:51,142 --> 00:46:52,643
I like to get laid.

856
00:46:53,894 --> 00:46:56,647
<i>I mean, is... you have to be
realistic about these things.</i>

857
00:46:56,731 --> 00:46:59,381
<i>You go out on the road,
you strap on a bunch of girls,</i>

858
00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:00,776
<i>you come back to the house,</i>

859
00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:01,860
you find out you've got the clap.

860
00:47:01,944 --> 00:47:03,570
What, you're going to keep
it a secret from your wife?

861
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,282
You know. So, I come back there, I said,

862
00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:08,575
"Look, I got the clap.
Go get a prescription ."

863
00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:11,203
So, she goes out and
gets some penicillin tablets.

864
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,456
We both take them, and that's it.

865
00:47:14,749 --> 00:47:17,209
She grumbles every once
in a while, but, you know,

866
00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,170
she's my wife.

867
00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,507
And <i>he did include her
in... in almost everything</i>

868
00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:24,974
<i>that... that he was doing.</i>

869
00:47:25,176 --> 00:47:27,345
She was right there at all times.

870
00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:29,137
All right. Now what do
you want to do about...

871
00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:30,389
<i>I'll tell you the secret</i>

872
00:47:30,473 --> 00:47:32,308
<i>to keep maintaining a relationship,</i>

873
00:47:32,475 --> 00:47:36,479
apart from the hideous
uh, occupational hazards

874
00:47:36,645 --> 00:47:39,565
that in... that are
specific to rock and roll,

875
00:47:39,774 --> 00:47:43,527
um, which can throw
you for an... take you

876
00:47:43,694 --> 00:47:48,157
on an emotional rollercoaster
if you let it from time to time.

877
00:47:48,324 --> 00:47:49,367
But...

878
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,995
the main thing is don't
have those conversations.

879
00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:57,041
<i>So, Frank does what he
does, and I do what I do.</i>

880
00:48:00,086 --> 00:48:03,286
You know, I used to... had an
expression in my own mind about it.

881
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:05,174
A polarity of passions.

882
00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:08,010
<i>Two different worlds there,</i>

883
00:48:08,177 --> 00:48:10,304
<i>and it's sometimes very uncomfortable</i>

884
00:48:10,471 --> 00:48:13,265
because he couldn't fucking
wait to get out of the house

885
00:48:13,432 --> 00:48:14,683
and go on the road.

886
00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:17,853
<i>But then, he was also
very happy to come home</i>

887
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:19,605
<i>just to feel safe again.</i>

888
00:48:24,652 --> 00:48:25,944
<i>One of the reasons why I said,</i>

889
00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:27,279
<i>"Let's get the fuck out of here,"</i>

890
00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:31,033
<i>because Manson had set up
shop in the mountain behind us</i>

891
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,618
<i>at the log cabin.</i>

892
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,914
<i>There was this trail
that was maybe ten feet</i>

893
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:38,281
<i>from the bedroom window,</i>

894
00:48:38,624 --> 00:48:41,001
<i>and every morning, I would see their feet</i>

895
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:43,110
<i>cruising around the neighborhood.</i>

896
00:48:43,796 --> 00:48:45,214
<i>They were creepy.</i>

897
00:48:47,216 --> 00:48:48,968
<i>I mean, the thing about the '60s,</i>

898
00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:51,720
you just know stuff.

899
00:48:52,221 --> 00:48:54,348
<i>You don't know why you
know it, but you just know it.</i>

900
00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:56,851
<i>You feel it. It's...
it's just in the air.</i>

901
00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:58,686
<i>And I remember that.</i>

902
00:48:58,978 --> 00:49:01,188
<i>The family's leader, Charles Manson,</i>

903
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:03,482
<i>denied that they were a violent group.</i>

904
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,735
<i>I don't know if previous
generations felt that.</i>

905
00:49:07,361 --> 00:49:09,029
But I know we did.

906
00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:11,991
<i>Whoever was alive then did.</i>

907
00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:30,824
<i>The way we met was
that I met Miss Christine</i>

908
00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:31,969
<i>from the GTOs.</i>

909
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,179
<i>And they knew we were
looking for a contract,</i>

910
00:49:34,263 --> 00:49:37,163
<i>and... and they knew Frank
was just starting his own label.</i>

911
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:41,103
And we were this little band
coming to LA to try to make it.

912
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:44,273
Not knowing that he
was going to be our savior.

913
00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:47,026
<i>Every record company turned us down</i>

914
00:49:47,193 --> 00:49:48,611
<i>except for Frank.</i>

915
00:49:49,111 --> 00:49:50,237
<i>It was weird.</i>

916
00:49:50,488 --> 00:49:52,072
He had the freaks,

917
00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:54,950
and he had the very,
extremely intelligent

918
00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:57,912
and the very artsy people behind him.

919
00:49:58,162 --> 00:50:00,862
And then there was the
whole middle that didn't get it.

920
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,765
<i>You formally disbanded
the Mothers in 1969. Why?</i>

921
00:50:19,183 --> 00:50:21,018
<i>Because it was a disaster.</i>

922
00:50:21,393 --> 00:50:22,561
<i>We were doing a tour.</i>

923
00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:24,772
<i>The tour wasn't successful.</i>

924
00:50:25,272 --> 00:50:28,817
<i>At the beginning, I took 400
dollars out of my bank account</i>

925
00:50:28,984 --> 00:50:30,152
<i>so I could eat.</i>

926
00:50:31,111 --> 00:50:32,811
<i>And by the time the tour was over,</i>

927
00:50:32,905 --> 00:50:34,489
<i>after paying everybody and everything,</i>

928
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:36,742
<i>I was 10, 000 dollars in debt.</i>

929
00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:39,453
<i>And it just seemed to
me that this was not the...</i>

930
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,206
<i>A lifestyle I wished to continue.</i>

931
00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:45,709
Hey. That sounds like shit.

932
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:51,382
Want to get a level on this
before we actually make it?

933
00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:56,637
<i>When we first went out
to play, after the concert,</i>

934
00:50:56,804 --> 00:50:59,723
<i>we wanted to know if we
were actually going to get paid.</i>

935
00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:03,018
There was always that kind of,

936
00:51:03,185 --> 00:51:06,105
"Wow. What's going on financially?"

937
00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:09,942
<i>So, we didn't even get a two-week notice.</i>

938
00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:11,944
<i>And... and I remember saying,</i>

939
00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:14,196
"I just bought a new Chevy," whatever.

940
00:51:14,363 --> 00:51:15,864
You know. So, no.

941
00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,409
<i>It was totally out of the blue.</i>

942
00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:20,411
Totally.

943
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:25,874
<i>"I think that Frank realized," Wow.</i>

944
00:51:26,041 --> 00:51:27,835
<i>I just wanted to create something,</i>

945
00:51:28,002 --> 00:51:29,836
<i>"and I wanted to make
a statement artistically,"</i>

946
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,089
<i>but there's people relying on you.</i>

947
00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:34,300
<i>There's people expecting paychecks.</i>

948
00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:37,428
<i>And then Frank is like, "This
isn't fun for me anymore.</i>"

949
00:51:37,595 --> 00:51:40,180
<i>I don't want to feel as
though I'm responsible</i>

950
00:51:40,347 --> 00:51:41,890
<i>for the... the happiness and livelihood</i>

951
00:51:41,974 --> 00:51:43,674
<i>"of... of a bunch of other people."</i>

952
00:51:45,311 --> 00:51:47,396
<i>"All I want to do is...
is make statements</i>

953
00:51:47,563 --> 00:51:50,107
<i>and see how they sound."</i>

954
00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:55,237
<i>The new format that
I'm working with now is...</i>

955
00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:57,739
that if I want to form a group
called The Mothers of Invention

956
00:51:57,823 --> 00:51:59,783
I'll stick anybody in it that I want to.

957
00:51:59,867 --> 00:52:03,287
It's just whoever happens
to be right for the type of work

958
00:52:03,454 --> 00:52:04,455
that we're doing.

959
00:52:04,622 --> 00:52:06,373
Like, for instance, if
I'm going to do a concert

960
00:52:06,457 --> 00:52:08,750
<i>with a symphony orchestra
and I don't necessarily</i>

961
00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:11,337
<i>want to do a lot of
vocals with the orchestra,</i>

962
00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,003
<i>then I don't bring the vocals.</i>

963
00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:16,091
Or I... I have, uh,
occasion to play a job

964
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:18,009
with a small group,
like four or five pieces,

965
00:52:18,093 --> 00:52:19,594
where I'm just going to play the guitar,

966
00:52:19,678 --> 00:52:21,428
<i>I'll bring along an instrumentation</i>

967
00:52:21,513 --> 00:52:23,182
<i>- like Hot Rats.
- Uh-hmm.</i>

968
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:25,434
So, I... it gives me a little bit more

969
00:52:25,601 --> 00:52:27,686
artistic flexibility, you might say.

970
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:30,314
<i>Most of what occurred after that,</i>

971
00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:32,941
<i>the groups were not as permanent.</i>

972
00:52:33,776 --> 00:52:36,028
<i>They didn't have the
same kind of personality</i>

973
00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:37,245
<i>as the early Mothers.</i>

974
00:52:38,656 --> 00:52:42,117
<i>The one that followed
on after that 1969 batch</i>

975
00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:44,034
<i>was the group with Mark and Howard.</i>

976
00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,537
<i>And it had an identity.</i>

977
00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:48,248
- Oh, you're so professional.
- Oh, okay.

978
00:52:48,415 --> 00:52:51,794
The way you get to travel
to all those exotic places.

979
00:52:52,252 --> 00:52:56,048
Do you really have a hit single
on the charts with a bullet?

980
00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,514
♪ <i>Imagine me and you, I do</i> ♪

981
00:53:03,681 --> 00:53:07,184
<i>♪ I think about you day
and night, it's only right</i> ♪

982
00:53:07,351 --> 00:53:10,938
<i>♪ To think about the girl
you love and hold her tight ♪</i>

983
00:53:11,105 --> 00:53:14,775
♪ <i>So happy together</i> ♪

984
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:19,738
<i>♪ I can't see me lovin' nobody but you ♪</i>

985
00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:22,741
♪ <i>For all my life</i> ♪

986
00:53:22,908 --> 00:53:26,829
<i>♪ When you're with me,
baby, the skies'll be blue</i> ♪

987
00:53:26,995 --> 00:53:30,374
♪ <i>For all my life</i> ♪

988
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:33,001
<i>They had been in a
group called The Turtles,</i>

989
00:53:33,085 --> 00:53:34,985
<i>but I guess The Turtles had broken up.</i>

990
00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,672
<i>And I had done a concert</i>

991
00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:38,340
<i>with the Los Angeles Philharmonic,</i>

992
00:53:38,424 --> 00:53:40,300
<i>and they came to the concert.</i>

993
00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:42,385
<i>And we decided that I would put together</i>

994
00:53:42,469 --> 00:53:44,179
<i>another touring band called the Mothers</i>

995
00:53:44,263 --> 00:53:46,557
<i>and go out and do amusing things.</i>

996
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:51,395
Hey!

997
00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:00,654
♪ <i>Call any vegetable</i> ♪

998
00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:02,948
♪ <i>Call it by name</i> ♪

999
00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,494
♪ <i>Call one today ♪</i>

1000
00:54:08,328 --> 00:54:10,581
♪ <i>When you get off the train ♪</i>

1001
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,753
♪ <i>Call any vegetable ♪</i>

1002
00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:21,925
<i>♪ And the chances are good! ♪</i>

1003
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:26,305
<i>We were redefining</i>

1004
00:54:26,472 --> 00:54:28,223
<i>the expectations of entertainment.</i>

1005
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:29,974
<i>But it seemed to me there was no reason</i>

1006
00:54:30,058 --> 00:54:31,810
<i>why that audience shouldn't experience</i>

1007
00:54:31,894 --> 00:54:33,561
<i>some of the things that
had already happened</i>

1008
00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:36,273
<i>since 1920 in musical development.</i>

1009
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,358
<i>Things that they were
completely unaware of</i>

1010
00:54:38,442 --> 00:54:41,278
<i>just because they were a "rock audience"</i>

1011
00:54:41,445 --> 00:54:44,114
<i>and therefore deprived
of musical experience.</i>

1012
00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:46,492
<i>It wasn't being presented
to them in any kind</i>

1013
00:54:46,658 --> 00:54:48,952
<i>of music appreciation class in school.</i>

1014
00:54:49,578 --> 00:54:51,789
<i>Unfortunately, there were some people</i>

1015
00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:55,709
<i>who thought that it was bad
because nothing should change</i>

1016
00:54:55,876 --> 00:54:57,419
<i>real rock and roll.</i>

1017
00:54:57,586 --> 00:55:00,756
<i>And anybody who would
interfere with that kind of aesthetic</i>

1018
00:55:00,923 --> 00:55:04,468
<i>was viewed as a threat and
needed to be disposed of.</i>

1019
00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:08,305
<i>And basically, my career has been...</i>

1020
00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:12,142
<i>year after year, waiting
to be disposed of.</i>

1021
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,340
<i>How do you know about success?</i>

1022
00:55:43,966 --> 00:55:45,509
<i>How do I know about success?</i>

1023
00:55:45,676 --> 00:55:46,927
<i>I don't know.</i>

1024
00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:50,221
I watched The Beatles in the '60s.

1025
00:55:50,305 --> 00:55:51,682
I guess that's success.

1026
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,144
Hey. Sit down and cool it for a minute

1027
00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:57,979
so I can hear what we're going to do.

1028
00:55:58,063 --> 00:56:00,690
And for... and for those of you
in the band who have no idea

1029
00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:03,527
what's about to
happen, this is in A minor.

1030
00:56:03,694 --> 00:56:04,778
And it's not standard...

1031
00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:06,321
<i>You pretty much couldn't find</i>

1032
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:08,782
<i>a... a more pristine example of somebody</i>

1033
00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:10,784
<i>at the absolute pinnacle</i>

1034
00:56:10,951 --> 00:56:13,036
<i>of mainstream musical success..-</i>

1035
00:56:13,912 --> 00:56:16,665
<i>who decides, "Wow. This is bullshit."</i>

1036
00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:19,084
I'd just like to say hello.

1037
00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:24,965
And <i>so, when Lennon and
Zappa finally crossed paths...</i>

1038
00:56:27,593 --> 00:56:32,222
<i>in some ways, it gave John
and Yoko's artistic expression</i>

1039
00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,684
<i>a framework that they
never really enjoyed</i>

1040
00:56:35,976 --> 00:56:37,769
<i>in any other context.</i>

1041
00:56:37,936 --> 00:56:40,105
<i>And in some ways, makes more sense</i>

1042
00:56:40,272 --> 00:56:42,983
<i>when the imprimatur of
Frank and the Mothers</i>

1043
00:56:43,150 --> 00:56:44,359
<i>are surrounding them.</i>

1044
00:56:44,568 --> 00:56:45,819
♪ <i>Stupid ♪</i>

1045
00:56:46,904 --> 00:56:48,363
♪ <i>Stupid ♪</i>

1046
00:56:49,907 --> 00:56:51,408
♪ <i>Stupid ♪</i>

1047
00:56:52,993 --> 00:56:54,286
♪ <i>Stupid ♪</i>

1048
00:56:55,787 --> 00:56:57,372
♪ <i>Stupid ♪</i>

1049
00:56:58,665 --> 00:56:59,708
♪ <i>Stupid ♪</i>

1050
00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:04,963
<i>I really think Frank was
afraid to have a hit record.</i>

1051
00:57:06,173 --> 00:57:09,173
Because I think Frank could
have written hit records all day.

1052
00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:13,555
And he purposely
sabotaged a lot of his records.

1053
00:57:15,265 --> 00:57:16,599
It was interesting 'cause everybody

1054
00:57:16,683 --> 00:57:18,983
was going for the hit
record, and he never did.

1055
00:57:20,812 --> 00:57:23,523
<i>That makes absolutely no sense to me.</i>

1056
00:57:25,192 --> 00:57:28,820
But I don't disagree
with it because I... I think

1057
00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,239
that that's probably correct,
but I don't think Frank was...

1058
00:57:31,323 --> 00:57:36,620
Had any interest whatsoever
in writing an... any hit tunes.

1059
00:57:37,746 --> 00:57:40,207
<i>That's not even on his radar.</i>

1060
00:57:42,668 --> 00:57:43,835
<i>This man...</i>

1061
00:57:44,378 --> 00:57:47,297
was just a walking
mass of contradictions,

1062
00:57:47,547 --> 00:57:50,425
and yet... now I'm going
to contradict myself.

1063
00:57:50,592 --> 00:57:51,718
At the same time,

1064
00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:54,304
he was very consistent
with those contradictions.

1065
00:58:02,688 --> 00:58:05,232
Do you see any
commercial potential in it?

1066
00:58:05,482 --> 00:58:08,402
I sure as hell hope so.

1067
00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:14,366
From <i>200 Motels</i> he
expects the worst reviews

1068
00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:16,618
of any movie ever put out.

1069
00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:21,999
His intention is to create
a piece of film so bizarre

1070
00:58:22,249 --> 00:58:25,877
<i>and parts of it so full of bullshit</i>

1071
00:58:26,795 --> 00:58:29,840
and other parts of it
so technically perfect

1072
00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:32,467
that the people are going
to leave the theater, going...

1073
00:58:32,551 --> 00:58:34,970
<i>"I didn't understand it
at all. What's he doing?</i>

1074
00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:37,513
<i>What's... what's the message?
What's he trying to say?"</i>

1075
00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:39,808
Well, that's the message.

1076
00:58:40,267 --> 00:58:41,810
Martin walks over in here.

1077
00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:44,270
You just come over and
stand near the side of the organ

1078
00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:45,730
and watch from the background.

1079
00:58:45,814 --> 00:58:47,864
<i>Just the whole idea
that it is Frank Zappa</i>

1080
00:58:47,983 --> 00:58:49,484
<i>and The Mothers of Invention</i>

1081
00:58:49,776 --> 00:58:51,486
has always given us
something to talk about.

1082
00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:55,824
You know, Frank is, you know,
our boss, and so there's always

1083
00:58:55,991 --> 00:59:00,037
that kind of
management/worker relationship.

1084
00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:02,706
It's all very temporary.

1085
00:59:02,914 --> 00:59:06,710
And, uh, that's the way it works.

1086
00:59:06,877 --> 00:59:09,296
And you just... you just never know.

1087
00:59:09,463 --> 00:59:11,798
I mean, like, it isn't the final stay

1088
00:59:11,965 --> 00:59:13,091
<i>for any of us.</i>

1089
00:59:13,258 --> 00:59:14,759
<i>You know, like, this
isn't the final Mothers</i>

1090
00:59:14,843 --> 00:59:16,219
<i>Frank will have.</i>

1091
00:59:16,511 --> 00:59:19,097
It's hard to say how
long we will be together.

1092
00:59:20,432 --> 00:59:22,976
So, they see that you're getting
Martin back there and everybody.

1093
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:24,519
You're waking them all up.

1094
00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:29,357
<i>My perspective of it has
changed through the years.</i>

1095
00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,486
<i>Because when I was in it,</i>

1096
00:59:33,278 --> 00:59:36,031
I was a tool for the composer

1097
00:59:36,198 --> 00:59:38,366
and... and as... Is all of his musicians.

1098
00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:42,871
And he used his tools, uh, brilliantly.

1099
00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:46,833
<i>It's like, whatever you can do
that's interesting and unique,</i>

1100
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,752
<i>it's going to be exaggerated</i>

1101
00:59:49,377 --> 00:59:54,257
and used as he deems fit for his music.

1102
00:59:57,094 --> 01:00:01,807
<i>Frank would often
appear to be cold, aloof,</i>

1103
01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:06,812
<i>and not personally involved
with his trained monkeys</i>

1104
01:00:06,978 --> 01:00:08,980
<i>as once he joked about.</i>

1105
01:00:09,147 --> 01:00:11,047
We're just all trained monkeys, right?

1106
01:00:11,191 --> 01:00:14,194
He's the circus ringleader or whatever.

1107
01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:21,118
But I want to tell you that
he had great feelings for us.

1108
01:00:21,827 --> 01:00:24,246
He was... he was human.

1109
01:00:24,412 --> 01:00:27,374
There were times when I didn't feel

1110
01:00:27,582 --> 01:00:28,917
that he was so much.

1111
01:00:29,084 --> 01:00:31,711
And I did feel he was cruel at times.

1112
01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:34,631
But he was a passionate man.

1113
01:00:34,798 --> 01:00:37,759
And he developed real love,

1114
01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:40,178
I'm not going to say
equally for everybody.

1115
01:00:40,345 --> 01:00:45,016
<i>But the people that he
loved, he kept bringing back</i>

1116
01:00:45,725 --> 01:00:48,979
<i>over and through many of the bands.</i>

1117
01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:50,856
<i>Many of the tours.</i>

1118
01:00:55,944 --> 01:00:57,863
<i>Frank was very loyal to the people</i>

1119
01:00:58,071 --> 01:00:59,906
<i>that had helped him along the way</i>

1120
01:01:00,073 --> 01:01:02,242
even if they were the
worst motherfuckers.

1121
01:01:02,742 --> 01:01:06,288
He would, um, go out
of his way to help them.

1122
01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:11,459
<i>And I can count on one
hand the friends that he truly</i>

1123
01:01:11,626 --> 01:01:13,503
<i>would spend time with.</i>

1124
01:01:14,629 --> 01:01:18,508
<i>He was pretty forgiving
for someone that he knew,</i>

1125
01:01:18,675 --> 01:01:20,677
<i>but if he didn't know you,</i>

1126
01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:22,762
one chance, that's it.

1127
01:01:22,929 --> 01:01:24,055
Done.

1128
01:01:24,431 --> 01:01:26,892
You know, so he could
be hardcore as well.

1129
01:01:36,234 --> 01:01:37,944
<i>First of all, he was not injured.</i>

1130
01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:40,071
<i>He was attacked.</i>

1131
01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:46,328
<i>This myth about him
falling off the stage,</i>

1132
01:01:46,494 --> 01:01:47,996
<i>that didn't happen.</i>

1133
01:01:48,163 --> 01:01:52,792
<i>Some idiot attacked him
and threw him off the stage.</i>

1134
01:02:00,926 --> 01:02:03,636
<i>And I know a lot of people
know something happened to you,</i>

1135
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,180
<i>and essentially, it was that</i>

1136
01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:08,975
<i>a person of somewhat
demented condition, apparently,</i>

1137
01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:10,476
<i>had pulled you off the stage</i>

1138
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,910
<i>at a place called the
Rainbow Theatre in London.</i>

1139
01:02:13,897 --> 01:02:16,232
And you were knocked unconscious
and pretty seriously injured.

1140
01:02:16,316 --> 01:02:17,650
And I know you were in a wheelchair

1141
01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:18,884
a long time after that.

1142
01:02:19,027 --> 01:02:21,696
Uh, there's been a lot of
talk about some of the things

1143
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:24,630
that happened to the Mothers
as a result of that accident,

1144
01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:27,452
but I'm wondering what,
if anything, it did to you.

1145
01:02:27,619 --> 01:02:28,744
Did it affect your thinking?

1146
01:02:28,828 --> 01:02:30,789
Did it change any of your perspectives?

1147
01:02:30,956 --> 01:02:32,374
Oh, certainly. Of course.

1148
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:34,790
It helps you to find out
who your friends are.

1149
01:02:36,253 --> 01:02:38,463
<i>Try sitting in a wheelchair
for nine months.</i>

1150
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:40,480
You'll find out who your friends are.

1151
01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:45,094
<i>The point that I was in the hospital,</i>

1152
01:02:45,178 --> 01:02:46,095
<i>you have a bunch of guys</i>

1153
01:02:46,179 --> 01:02:47,597
<i>who earn their living from touring.</i>

1154
01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:50,181
<i>And I was unable to tour
for the bulk of that year.</i>

1155
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,643
<i>So, I'm used to being
active and traveling around</i>

1156
01:02:52,727 --> 01:02:54,479
<i>and having a good time.</i>

1157
01:02:54,813 --> 01:02:57,463
And so, if you're sitting
there and you are an invalid

1158
01:02:57,691 --> 01:03:00,568
against your will, uh, it
does change your outlook

1159
01:03:00,735 --> 01:03:01,903
a little bit.

1160
01:03:32,267 --> 01:03:34,811
<i>The nose is the important part</i>

1161
01:03:35,895 --> 01:03:38,565
<i>when you're making a Zappa head.</i>

1162
01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:42,402
'Cause no one else has one like it.

1163
01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:49,159
It doesn't have ears, but that's because

1164
01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:52,245
they wouldn't be seen
once you get the hair on.

1165
01:03:54,914 --> 01:03:58,460
But the hair is actually
the... the simpler part

1166
01:03:58,626 --> 01:04:00,503
of this whole thing.

1167
01:04:01,129 --> 01:04:06,593
You can see here how
easily the hair goes on.

1168
01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:13,767
<i>How did you find the
animator, Bruce Bickford?</i>

1169
01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,478
<i>I was sitting here with a broken leg,</i>

1170
01:04:16,644 --> 01:04:18,396
<i>and he climbed over my fence</i>

1171
01:04:18,563 --> 01:04:20,732
<i>with two reels of film under his arm.</i>

1172
01:04:21,232 --> 01:04:22,650
<i>Now, this is tough 'cause the fence</i>

1173
01:04:22,734 --> 01:04:25,445
<i>used to be pretty high, but he made it.</i>

1174
01:04:28,156 --> 01:04:30,784
<i>I hitchhiked up to Laurel Canyon</i>

1175
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:33,036
<i>and then found his house.</i>

1176
01:04:34,913 --> 01:04:38,458
<i>We looked at the stuff,
and he was impressed</i>

1177
01:04:38,625 --> 01:04:41,461
<i>by the number of
figures that I could sustain</i>

1178
01:04:41,628 --> 01:04:44,130
<i>in animation in one shot.</i>

1179
01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:48,927
As <i>far as I can tell, he's the best ever.</i>

1180
01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:51,554
<i>And he wanted to
know if I could help him.</i>

1181
01:04:51,638 --> 01:04:53,889
<i>I was sitting in the
basement, and here's this guy</i>

1182
01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:55,100
<i>with this footage.</i>

1183
01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:57,842
<i>And he's been on my payroll ever since.</i>

1184
01:05:00,772 --> 01:05:02,857
<i>Motherfucker throws Frank off the stage,</i>

1185
01:05:03,024 --> 01:05:04,724
<i>and whether Frank likes it or not,</i>

1186
01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:07,153
that's a huge marker for a new phase.

1187
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,905
He's got to convalesce.

1188
01:05:09,072 --> 01:05:10,948
And what do you do if you're Frank Zappa

1189
01:05:11,032 --> 01:05:13,952
<i>with that brain and you can't move?</i>

1190
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:15,453
<i>And you can't get up?</i>

1191
01:05:15,787 --> 01:05:17,664
<i>He's got a restless, creative mind,</i>

1192
01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:19,431
<i>so he's going to start creating.</i>

1193
01:05:19,958 --> 01:05:22,168
Ladies and gentlemen,
I suppose you've noticed

1194
01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:23,628
that this is a clay forest,

1195
01:05:23,795 --> 01:05:25,338
and the forest has been manufactured

1196
01:05:25,422 --> 01:05:26,589
for your edification

1197
01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:29,092
by none other than Bruce Bickford.

1198
01:05:29,259 --> 01:05:31,427
Bruce, would you please
tell us what's going on

1199
01:05:31,511 --> 01:05:32,887
on this table over here?

1200
01:05:33,138 --> 01:05:35,765
Well, all you have to do is just move it

1201
01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:37,559
a very slight amount.

1202
01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:40,311
And then you take the picture.

1203
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,815
And you move it again.
And just keep going.

1204
01:05:43,982 --> 01:05:46,192
And you can pick up speed after a while.

1205
01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:49,529
On making sure each time
that you get your fingers out

1206
01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:53,241
from in front of the lens
before you take the picture.

1207
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:56,244
<i>That's all you got to know.</i>

1208
01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:01,916
<i>Uh, at times, he... he was stubborn.</i>

1209
01:06:02,917 --> 01:06:04,335
<i>We were gonna make a movie,</i>

1210
01:06:04,502 --> 01:06:10,467
and all he could think about
was control. H is control.

1211
01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:15,847
<i>He had some emotions that ran deep</i>

1212
01:06:16,306 --> 01:06:18,600
<i>that he wouldn't express.</i>

1213
01:06:20,685 --> 01:06:25,690
<i>I just accepted everything
rather than questioning</i>

1214
01:06:25,899 --> 01:06:28,067
why are you like you are?

1215
01:06:28,234 --> 01:06:31,154
But I could see the workaholic,

1216
01:06:31,738 --> 01:06:35,658
<i>and that was where
his joy was coming from.</i>

1217
01:06:37,202 --> 01:06:40,288
<i>I think that Frank didn't,
like, express himself</i>

1218
01:06:40,497 --> 01:06:43,541
<i>as directly in terms of his own emotions.</i>

1219
01:06:44,751 --> 01:06:47,962
<i>I don't think he saw that as his purpose.</i>

1220
01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:52,467
<i>He had so much talent.</i>

1221
01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:55,678
It defied everything.

1222
01:07:00,558 --> 01:07:03,853
<i>When something cataclysmic
happens in your life,</i>

1223
01:07:04,729 --> 01:07:07,064
<i>there's any number of
ways you can deal with it.</i>

1224
01:07:07,148 --> 01:07:08,998
<i>You can just go,</i> "Oh, <i>my god, why me?"</i>

1225
01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:11,152
<i>And be capsized.</i>

1226
01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:14,781
<i>"Or you can say," Well, I got
no choice in the matter here.</i>

1227
01:07:14,948 --> 01:07:16,533
<i>Something has changed."</i>

1228
01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:18,974
<i>He's not going to
continue employing a group</i>

1229
01:07:19,118 --> 01:07:20,318
<i>while he's convalescing,</i>

1230
01:07:20,411 --> 01:07:23,623
<i>so that version of the Mothers scatters,</i>

1231
01:07:24,207 --> 01:07:25,666
<i>starts doing their own things.</i>

1232
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:28,753
<i>And as soon as he's able to write,</i>

1233
01:07:29,504 --> 01:07:32,006
<i>wheel to the rehearsal studio, get
some of the horn players in there,</i>

1234
01:07:32,090 --> 01:07:34,800
<i>put the charts in front of him,
hear what things sound like,</i>

1235
01:07:34,884 --> 01:07:37,720
<i>end up with a stack of new compositions,</i>

1236
01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:41,015
<i>go out on the road,
surprise people yet again.</i>

1237
01:07:42,141 --> 01:07:44,727
Let me tell you something.
Do you like monster movies?

1238
01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:46,020
Anybody?

1239
01:07:46,604 --> 01:07:49,274
I love monster movies.

1240
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,820
I simply adore monster
movies and the cheaper they are,

1241
01:07:54,028 --> 01:07:56,406
the better they are. All right?

1242
01:07:58,032 --> 01:07:59,784
And this is "Cheepnis" here.

1243
01:08:00,034 --> 01:08:01,744
One, two, three, four.

1244
01:08:09,627 --> 01:08:11,337
♪ <i>I ate a hot dog ♪</i>

1245
01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:13,256
♪ <i>It tasted real good ♪</i>

1246
01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:18,678
<i>♪ Then I watched a movie from Hollywood ♪</i>

1247
01:08:39,407 --> 01:08:41,701
I want to tell you one more time.

1248
01:08:42,243 --> 01:08:43,703
I want to thank you

1249
01:08:43,911 --> 01:08:45,830
because I really appreciate this.

1250
01:09:05,016 --> 01:09:08,519
Thank you, thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

1251
01:09:08,686 --> 01:09:11,939
Thank every one of you. And good night.

1252
01:09:19,072 --> 01:09:22,367
<i>I think at every point in his life,</i>

1253
01:09:22,533 --> 01:09:24,577
<i>he was trying to do the best thing</i>

1254
01:09:24,911 --> 01:09:27,955
<i>that he could to have no regrets.</i>

1255
01:09:28,831 --> 01:09:35,254
But what was Frank honestly trying to do?

1256
01:09:35,797 --> 01:09:40,635
He didn't give a shit
about the immediate...

1257
01:09:40,968 --> 01:09:44,555
world of his... of his
attempting to function

1258
01:09:44,722 --> 01:09:46,682
in the way that he chose
to function, which was

1259
01:09:46,766 --> 01:09:49,143
"If I'm alive, I've got
to be in the studio.

1260
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:52,146
I've got to be at the music paper."

1261
01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:54,107
<i>My desires are simple.</i>

1262
01:09:54,273 --> 01:09:55,899
All I want to do is get
a good performance

1263
01:09:55,983 --> 01:09:56,983
and a good recording

1264
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:59,361
of everything that I ever
wrote so I can hear it.

1265
01:09:59,445 --> 01:10:00,863
And if anybody else wants to hear it,

1266
01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:02,198
then that's great too.

1267
01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:05,827
Sounds easy, but it's really hard to do.

1268
01:10:06,994 --> 01:10:09,914
<i>Frank was a slave to his inner ear.</i>

1269
01:10:10,123 --> 01:10:12,083
<i>So, he heard things a particular way,</i>

1270
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:14,418
<i>and then he tried to
manifest them in the world,</i>

1271
01:10:14,502 --> 01:10:15,878
but there were limitations.

1272
01:10:16,045 --> 01:10:18,923
And... there's financial
limitations to a degree

1273
01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:21,592
when you're dealing
with orchestra pieces.

1274
01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:24,345
And there's performance
limitations, you know?

1275
01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:27,807
You can just write something
that somebody can't play, you know.

1276
01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,519
<i>But the music needed to
resemble what he was hearing</i>

1277
01:10:31,644 --> 01:10:32,520
<i>in his head.</i>

1278
01:10:33,187 --> 01:10:36,566
<i>So, this led to a lot of... I
think suffering on his part</i>

1279
01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:39,183
due to the inadequacies
and limitations of others,

1280
01:10:39,277 --> 01:10:41,571
you know. Sorry, Frank.

1281
01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:45,992
We rehearse all the time.

1282
01:10:46,826 --> 01:10:49,245
Every day before we play, we rehearse.

1283
01:10:49,454 --> 01:10:51,038
We'll... we'll rehearse, uh,

1284
01:10:51,205 --> 01:10:54,333
before this tour, we
rehearsed for three weeks

1285
01:10:54,917 --> 01:10:58,212
four days a week, five hours a day.

1286
01:10:58,838 --> 01:11:01,549
A <i>lot of people think, "Oh,
he was very demanding."</i>

1287
01:11:02,008 --> 01:11:03,760
<i>No more demanding than anybody</i>

1288
01:11:03,926 --> 01:11:06,095
<i>that has a job that they need to do.</i>

1289
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:09,932
<i>But it would be really difficult
for a musician in Frank's band</i>

1290
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:12,894
<i>if he was asking you to do
things that you couldn't do.</i>

1291
01:11:13,311 --> 01:11:15,188
<i>But he always asked you to do things</i>

1292
01:11:15,354 --> 01:11:18,441
that he believed you can
do, but maybe you didn't.

1293
01:11:21,068 --> 01:11:24,280
<i>"Black Page" was a piece
of music that Frank wrote.</i>

1294
01:11:25,323 --> 01:11:28,951
It's probably, um, at the foref...

1295
01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:30,536
forefront of innovation

1296
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,457
in regard to rhythmic
polymetric notation.

1297
01:11:35,958 --> 01:11:39,128
<i>No doubt. No doubt. Because
there's certain rhythmic</i>

1298
01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:41,255
situations in that piece

1299
01:11:41,798 --> 01:11:44,842
<i>that are extraordinarily complex,</i>

1300
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:46,594
but the important thing

1301
01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:49,003
is it sounds like a
beautiful piece of music.

1302
01:11:49,096 --> 01:11:50,139
It's unique.

1303
01:11:50,306 --> 01:11:51,974
It's a comp... and it's
nothing like anything else

1304
01:11:52,058 --> 01:11:54,769
in his catalog. This is Frank, you know.

1305
01:11:54,936 --> 01:11:58,689
And so, the "Black Page"
is this piece of music

1306
01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:00,441
that was like this, um,

1307
01:12:00,608 --> 01:12:03,277
phenomenon to me and to many others.

1308
01:12:19,085 --> 01:12:22,839
<i>There was no doubt
that there was a person</i>

1309
01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:26,801
<i>who could write music, fantastic music,</i>

1310
01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:29,387
<i>who cared that it be played properly.</i>

1311
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:33,266
<i>And what I'm hearing</i>

1312
01:12:33,975 --> 01:12:36,227
was put on this earth for me.

1313
01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:37,603
It was for me.

1314
01:13:06,841 --> 01:13:08,426
<i>That music is there</i>

1315
01:13:09,844 --> 01:13:12,638
for as long as we have any kind of, uh,

1316
01:13:12,805 --> 01:13:14,557
appreciation for the arts.

1317
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,935
The music that Frank
made I think will last.

1318
01:13:27,069 --> 01:13:28,519
You guys fucking nailed that.

1319
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:33,242
Yeah. That was good.

1320
01:13:36,203 --> 01:13:38,706
<i>Now that you are
becoming a successful man</i>

1321
01:13:38,873 --> 01:13:42,084
<i>on... in the music scene,
what consequences</i>

1322
01:13:42,335 --> 01:13:44,003
<i>could this probably have for you?</i>

1323
01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:45,630
<i>I don't think about it.</i>

1324
01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:47,246
<i>A lot of times, the people...</i>

1325
01:13:47,924 --> 01:13:50,009
<i>like what you do for the wrong reasons.</i>

1326
01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:53,721
Live from New York, it's <i>Saturday Night.</i>

1327
01:13:57,391 --> 01:13:59,518
No, I don't do drugs.

1328
01:13:59,685 --> 01:14:03,522
I just don't like the effects
it has on some people.

1329
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:07,568
What do you mean, man?

1330
01:14:07,777 --> 01:14:09,236
What do you mean you don't do drugs?

1331
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,030
Frank Zappa doesn't do drugs?

1332
01:14:11,197 --> 01:14:12,365
I don't believe it.

1333
01:14:13,074 --> 01:14:14,366
<i>Uh, well, that was their idea</i>

1334
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:15,701
<i>of something funny.</i>

1335
01:14:15,952 --> 01:14:17,995
<i>I think they actually did
it just to make fun of me,</i>

1336
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:19,204
<i>you know, because you know</i>

1337
01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:21,123
<i>what their orientation is all about.</i>

1338
01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:24,168
You didn't get high with
the original Mothers?

1339
01:14:24,335 --> 01:14:26,087
- No.
- What about <i>Freak Out!, man?</i>

1340
01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:28,589
You mean, you were straight
when you wrote <i>Freak Out!?</i>

1341
01:14:28,673 --> 01:14:30,383
Oh my, God! Oh, my God!

1342
01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:35,179
Ah, wow, man, that's such a mind blower.

1343
01:14:35,554 --> 01:14:38,599
<i>I thought the whole skit
sucked myself, and, uh,</i>

1344
01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:40,351
<i>I was just stuck doing it.</i>

1345
01:14:40,518 --> 01:14:42,603
<i>They wouldn't let me
write anything for the show.</i>

1346
01:14:42,687 --> 01:14:44,438
What is your function on this planet?

1347
01:14:44,522 --> 01:14:46,565
I am a musician.

1348
01:14:46,857 --> 01:14:48,067
One, <i>two, three, four.</i>

1349
01:14:50,444 --> 01:14:54,281
Ladies and gentlemen. Frank Zappa.

1350
01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:56,232
<i>♪ I don't know much about dancing ♪</i>

1351
01:14:56,367 --> 01:14:57,826
♪ <i>That's why I got this song ♪</i>

1352
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:59,745
<i>♪ One of my legs is
shorter than the other ♪</i>

1353
01:14:59,829 --> 01:15:01,288
<i>♪ And both my feet's too long ♪</i>

1354
01:15:01,372 --> 01:15:03,081
<i>♪ Course now right along with them ♪</i>

1355
01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:04,500
♪ <i>Got no natural rhythm ♪</i>

1356
01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:06,126
♪ <i>But I go dancing every night ♪</i>

1357
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:08,170
<i>♪ Hoping one day I might get it right ♪</i>

1358
01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:11,549
♪ <i>I'm a dancing fool ♪</i>

1359
01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:15,052
♪ <i>I'm a dancing fool ♪</i>

1360
01:15:15,261 --> 01:15:18,556
♪ <i>I'm a dancing fool ♪</i>

1361
01:15:18,723 --> 01:15:21,017
♪ <i>He's a dancing fool ♪</i>

1362
01:15:21,308 --> 01:15:23,258
<i>♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a... ♪</i>

1363
01:15:25,021 --> 01:15:26,971
<i>♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a... ♪</i>

1364
01:15:28,774 --> 01:15:30,724
<i>♪ I may be totally wrong, but I'm a... ♪</i>

1365
01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:35,698
<i>♪ I may be totally wrong,
but I'm a fool, yeah ♪</i>

1366
01:15:36,323 --> 01:15:37,366
<i>There was a part of him</i>

1367
01:15:37,450 --> 01:15:39,368
<i>that even though he had
a lot of people's attention,</i>

1368
01:15:39,452 --> 01:15:41,787
<i>of feeling cynical about the fact that,</i>

1369
01:15:41,954 --> 01:15:43,497
<i>yeah, all these people
are... are looking,</i>

1370
01:15:43,581 --> 01:15:45,581
<i>but they don't know what they're seeing.</i>

1371
01:15:51,088 --> 01:15:53,257
<i>Sometimes truth, when you put truth up,</i>

1372
01:15:53,424 --> 01:15:55,676
really quickly, like "Here's the truth,"

1373
01:15:55,843 --> 01:15:59,180
uh, it's like, uh, uh, um,
daylight to a vampire.

1374
01:15:59,346 --> 01:16:00,430
You know what I'm saying?

1375
01:16:00,514 --> 01:16:02,641
Some people are used to avoiding truth.

1376
01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:05,394
<i>When someone puts it right on the table,</i>

1377
01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:07,854
don't bring that plate out here again.

1378
01:16:07,938 --> 01:16:10,148
And don't play the music
that the guy that eats off

1379
01:16:10,232 --> 01:16:11,609
that plate on the radio.

1380
01:16:12,610 --> 01:16:14,660
<i>He don't... not only thinks, he discerns.</i>

1381
01:16:15,362 --> 01:16:18,157
<i>We got to keep this guy
under check, you know?</i>

1382
01:16:18,324 --> 01:16:19,533
'Cause he can't be out there.

1383
01:16:19,617 --> 01:16:21,660
And that's just my eyes seeing it

1384
01:16:21,827 --> 01:16:23,704
as a Black man in America.

1385
01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:25,497
Anybody that comes from the outside,

1386
01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:29,668
or so-called outside, with
ideas and new thoughts,

1387
01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:33,214
and you see this unknown
hand just go like this

1388
01:16:33,422 --> 01:16:34,673
and brush you aside.

1389
01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:38,344
<i>In those days, record companies</i>

1390
01:16:38,511 --> 01:16:41,222
<i>had a lot more control over artists.</i>

1391
01:16:41,764 --> 01:16:44,850
Typically, what a record
company would do is like sort of,

1392
01:16:45,059 --> 01:16:46,727
they would get it...
They were getting closer

1393
01:16:46,811 --> 01:16:49,355
and closer to 360 deals,
which means they own

1394
01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:51,774
<i>all the parts of you around your asshole</i>

1395
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,693
<i>and everything else that goes with.</i>

1396
01:16:55,152 --> 01:16:57,071
<i>So, Frank wanted to do a box set.</i>

1397
01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,116
<i>They said, "No, nobody can
do box sets. That's insane."</i>

1398
01:17:00,324 --> 01:17:02,409
<i>So then he took the box set apart</i>

1399
01:17:02,576 --> 01:17:04,370
<i>and made four albums out of it.</i>

1400
01:17:04,537 --> 01:17:06,496
<i>He went over to Warner's,
and he just handed them over</i>

1401
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:08,541
and said, "Okay, we're... I'm done.

1402
01:17:08,749 --> 01:17:11,499
That's the end of my contract.
Here's your four albums."

1403
01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:16,340
<i>And that changed
everything from that point on.</i>

1404
01:17:16,549 --> 01:17:19,218
<i>But more than that,
he's the first artist to go</i>

1405
01:17:19,426 --> 01:17:20,803
completely independent.

1406
01:17:21,303 --> 01:17:23,003
You know, we set up our own label.

1407
01:17:23,681 --> 01:17:27,143
As <i>Frank and Gail get into
the Zappa Records phase,</i>

1408
01:17:27,309 --> 01:17:29,770
and you know, one of the
first albums that come out,

1409
01:17:29,854 --> 01:17:33,357
Sheik Yerbouti, <i>which is
a very successful album.</i>

1410
01:17:33,524 --> 01:17:36,360
<i>And it's got crowd-pleasing,
really filthy shit on it.</i>

1411
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:39,321
<i>But... you get into the
subject matter on that record,</i>

1412
01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:42,283
<i>and it's still dark. He's
still in that dark place.</i>

1413
01:17:42,533 --> 01:17:44,034
<i>Almost every song on that record</i>

1414
01:17:44,118 --> 01:17:47,246
<i>is just like attacking a
specific group of people.</i>

1415
01:18:24,366 --> 01:18:28,829
<i>You always were a renegade
against the music business. Why?</i>

1416
01:18:29,038 --> 01:18:30,831
<i>Because most of what
the music business does</i>

1417
01:18:30,915 --> 01:18:31,957
<i>is not musical.</i>

1418
01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:33,917
<i>How many lawsuits do
you have out now, Frank?</i>

1419
01:18:34,001 --> 01:18:35,127
<i>Probably about nine.</i>

1420
01:18:35,336 --> 01:18:37,536
<i>Nine lawsuits against
some of the most famous</i>

1421
01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:39,298
<i>record companies in Los Angeles.</i>

1422
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:40,716
<i>That's true.</i>

1423
01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:42,509
<i>What do you think is the reason</i>

1424
01:18:42,593 --> 01:18:44,393
that Warner Brothers didn't pay you?

1425
01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:46,628
They're a bunch of assholes, of course.

1426
01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:52,394
<i>Besides the incredible freedom</i>

1427
01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:54,980
<i>of his creative perspectives,</i>

1428
01:18:55,648 --> 01:18:58,817
his business perspectives
were very independent.

1429
01:18:59,151 --> 01:19:00,751
I mean, he started his own label

1430
01:19:01,362 --> 01:19:04,740
back in the day when
this was relatively new

1431
01:19:04,907 --> 01:19:06,908
and he was sort of at
the forefront in a sense,

1432
01:19:06,992 --> 01:19:09,161
and that was very
vital to their, you know,

1433
01:19:09,453 --> 01:19:11,038
organization and their income.

1434
01:19:12,498 --> 01:19:16,794
<i>By 1982, we had started a
small mail-order company,</i>

1435
01:19:17,002 --> 01:19:18,420
<i>and we did, like,</i>

1436
01:19:18,587 --> 01:19:20,287
<i>a million dollars' worth of sales.</i>

1437
01:19:20,798 --> 01:19:23,508
<i>For us, that was good business
because you only had to sell</i>

1438
01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:25,678
<i>a quarter as many records really to make</i>

1439
01:19:25,886 --> 01:19:27,346
<i>the same amount of profit.</i>

1440
01:19:27,554 --> 01:19:29,306
This is where all the fan mail comes in.

1441
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:31,266
This is where I read it,
and if you don't believe me,

1442
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:34,000
look around you. There's
boxes, and I read everything.

1443
01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:38,148
<i>In retrospect, people
think you're a genius.</i>

1444
01:19:38,232 --> 01:19:40,943
But while it's happening, you're just,

1445
01:19:41,527 --> 01:19:43,028
"Okay, now what?"

1446
01:19:43,487 --> 01:19:46,824
And it's just an... an idea comes to you,

1447
01:19:46,991 --> 01:19:48,492
and then you go for it.

1448
01:19:50,411 --> 01:19:51,328
Good evening.

1449
01:19:51,912 --> 01:19:54,540
I'm here tonight to announce my intention

1450
01:19:54,748 --> 01:19:56,417
to seek the Republican nomination

1451
01:19:56,583 --> 01:19:58,335
for President of the United States.

1452
01:19:58,544 --> 01:19:59,962
<i>With the onset of Reaganism</i>

1453
01:20:00,129 --> 01:20:02,005
<i>and what was happening
in the country at that time,</i>

1454
01:20:02,089 --> 01:20:04,300
<i>in some ways, I think that drew Frank out</i>

1455
01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:06,927
<i>of the more solipsistic darkness</i>

1456
01:20:07,136 --> 01:20:09,388
<i>of what was happening in his career.</i>

1457
01:20:10,055 --> 01:20:12,098
<i>This is the dawning
of the dark ages again</i>

1458
01:20:12,182 --> 01:20:13,475
<i>as far as I'm concerned.</i>

1459
01:20:13,976 --> 01:20:16,026
<i>Never have the arts
been in such bad shape</i>

1460
01:20:16,228 --> 01:20:17,479
<i>in the United States.</i>

1461
01:20:20,024 --> 01:20:25,070
<i>This is the Central Scrutinizer.</i>

1462
01:20:25,988 --> 01:20:27,656
<i>As you can see,</i>

1463
01:20:27,865 --> 01:20:32,036
<i>music can get you pretty fucked up.</i>

1464
01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:38,292
<i>Take a tip from Joe, and get a good job.</i>

1465
01:20:42,755 --> 01:20:46,550
<i>The business of music
is all about this fake list</i>

1466
01:20:46,717 --> 01:20:49,303
<i>of who sold what.</i>

1467
01:20:50,387 --> 01:20:53,932
<i>The whole idea of selling
large numbers of items</i>

1468
01:20:54,099 --> 01:20:56,268
<i>in order to determine quality to it</i>

1469
01:20:56,435 --> 01:20:58,520
<i>is what's really repulsive about it.</i>

1470
01:21:00,898 --> 01:21:03,067
<i>MTV's Top 20 Video Countdown is sponsored</i>

1471
01:21:03,233 --> 01:21:05,694
<i>by Burger King and by Three Musketeers.</i>

1472
01:21:09,323 --> 01:21:10,657
<i>The record industry decided</i>

1473
01:21:10,741 --> 01:21:12,576
<i>this is the wave of the future.</i>

1474
01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:16,455
<i>And they started signing
only groups who look good.</i>

1475
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:21,126
<i>And the whole idea was
making picture music.</i>

1476
01:21:22,503 --> 01:21:25,714
<i>When the music business
was still sort of about</i>

1477
01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:27,466
<i>recording songs,</i>

1478
01:21:27,633 --> 01:21:29,343
<i>you could have a hit record</i>

1479
01:21:29,551 --> 01:21:33,138
<i>if it caught on in one of 10, 000</i>

1480
01:21:33,305 --> 01:21:35,307
<i>different radio stations in America.</i>

1481
01:21:36,225 --> 01:21:40,562
<i>Now, instead of having 10,
000 chances to make a hit,</i>

1482
01:21:41,563 --> 01:21:43,107
<i>you got one.</i>

1483
01:21:43,649 --> 01:21:45,984
<i>That's one small step for man,</i>

1484
01:21:47,569 --> 01:21:50,406
<i>one giant leap for mankind.</i>

1485
01:21:54,618 --> 01:21:57,579
<i>♪ And may the Lord ♪</i>

1486
01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:03,419
<i>♪ Have mercy On the fate of this movie ♪</i>

1487
01:22:03,627 --> 01:22:06,672
<i>♪ And God bless the mind ♪</i>

1488
01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:12,177
♪ <i>Of the man in the street ♪</i>

1489
01:22:12,553 --> 01:22:15,722
<i>Even in the most ugliest
chord he ever wrote,</i>

1490
01:22:16,432 --> 01:22:19,226
<i>there's always a ray of
hope in there, you know.</i>

1491
01:22:21,186 --> 01:22:24,857
As an entertainer, I'm
responsible for delivering

1492
01:22:25,023 --> 01:22:27,734
the best of what I can do to the audience

1493
01:22:27,901 --> 01:22:29,601
that has bought a ticket to see it

1494
01:22:29,736 --> 01:22:31,363
or buys a record to hear it.

1495
01:22:31,572 --> 01:22:32,822
And what about your friends?

1496
01:22:32,906 --> 01:22:34,616
Your neighbors? Your family?

1497
01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,417
Well, I don't have any friends.

1498
01:22:36,618 --> 01:22:39,079
I have a wonderful
wife and four children.

1499
01:22:39,288 --> 01:22:40,830
I like them. They're my friends.

1500
01:22:40,914 --> 01:22:42,123
So, your wife is your friend?

1501
01:22:42,207 --> 01:22:43,125
Right.

1502
01:22:43,625 --> 01:22:46,295
When you're not
working, do you just sort of

1503
01:22:46,795 --> 01:22:48,713
cut yourself off from
the rest of the world

1504
01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:51,008
and you're with your family?

1505
01:22:51,175 --> 01:22:52,926
Well, when I'm not touring, I'm at home.

1506
01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:55,553
I have a studio in my house.
I do my recording there.

1507
01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:57,837
And when I'm done
doing that part of my work,

1508
01:22:57,973 --> 01:22:59,975
I go off on the road and travel around

1509
01:23:00,142 --> 01:23:01,442
and do this kind of stuff.

1510
01:23:04,813 --> 01:23:06,398
They're here.

1511
01:23:06,607 --> 01:23:08,150
<i>♪ And we need a new burden ♪</i>

1512
01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:14,239
It's coming at you.

1513
01:23:47,564 --> 01:23:49,983
<i>The kids didn't get to
see that much of him.</i>

1514
01:23:50,901 --> 01:23:52,069
Just the way it goes.

1515
01:23:52,277 --> 01:23:55,447
He was on a mission, and
he was going to accomplish

1516
01:23:55,614 --> 01:23:57,074
that mission no matter what.

1517
01:23:58,033 --> 01:23:59,368
<i>Well, the sweet thing about "Valley Girl"</i>

1518
01:23:59,451 --> 01:24:01,411
<i>is that it was Frank
and Moon in the studio.</i>

1519
01:24:01,495 --> 01:24:02,871
<i>Them, you know, connecting.</i>

1520
01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,082
<i>Undoubtedly having a good time</i>

1521
01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:08,460
even though it was the
result of Moon, you know,

1522
01:24:08,627 --> 01:24:11,212
putting a note under, you
know, Frank's studio door, saying,

1523
01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:13,946
"Hi, my name's Moon. I live
in the same house as you."

1524
01:24:14,633 --> 01:24:17,010
<i>Uh, j... just in case
you're... you're interested,</i>

1525
01:24:17,094 --> 01:24:18,594
<i>"I do this Valley Girl voice."</i>

1526
01:24:22,224 --> 01:24:24,017
<i>It was nearly 15 years ago</i>

1527
01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:26,102
when the Beach Boys
brought national attention

1528
01:24:26,186 --> 01:24:27,688
to California girls.

1529
01:24:27,854 --> 01:24:30,065
These days, another
kind of California girl

1530
01:24:30,315 --> 01:24:32,317
is being immortalized on record.

1531
01:24:32,693 --> 01:24:34,235
There's a song getting heavy airplay

1532
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:36,446
on Southern California rock stations

1533
01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:38,073
called "Valley Girl."

1534
01:24:38,448 --> 01:24:41,577
<i>♪ Valley girl She's a valley girl ♪</i>

1535
01:24:41,827 --> 01:24:45,372
<i>♪ Valley girl She's a valley girl ♪</i>

1536
01:24:45,664 --> 01:24:48,333
♪ <i>Okay, fine, fer sure Fer sure ♪</i>

1537
01:24:48,542 --> 01:24:50,961
<i>♪ She's a valley girl
in a clothing store ♪</i>

1538
01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:53,296
Hi. You're probably wondering
what we're doing right now.

1539
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:55,507
Well, you see, we have this problem.

1540
01:24:55,674 --> 01:24:57,217
We have this record called "Valley Girl,"

1541
01:24:57,301 --> 01:24:58,843
and all these assholes keep calling up

1542
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:00,845
and asking for interviews
and photographs.

1543
01:25:00,929 --> 01:25:02,138
So, in the middle of the night,

1544
01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:05,392
we have to sit on the
roof and stand out here

1545
01:25:05,559 --> 01:25:07,101
<i>and move around and do dumb things</i>

1546
01:25:07,185 --> 01:25:10,230
<i>so that the world's most
famous photographer,</i>

1547
01:25:10,397 --> 01:25:14,026
Norman Seeff, can take pictures
of this crap for <i>Life magazine.</i>

1548
01:25:14,192 --> 01:25:15,610
That's what we're doing here.

1549
01:25:15,694 --> 01:25:18,655
<i>♪ Valley girl She's a valley girl ♪</i>

1550
01:25:18,822 --> 01:25:20,282
♪ <i>Okay, fine ♪</i>

1551
01:25:20,657 --> 01:25:22,743
<i>"Valley Girl" was a very unusual accident</i>

1552
01:25:22,909 --> 01:25:24,119
<i>in the US.</i>

1553
01:25:24,494 --> 01:25:27,706
<i>We were a small label
distributed through CBS.</i>

1554
01:25:27,956 --> 01:25:29,416
<i>Nobody at CBS had any idea</i>

1555
01:25:29,583 --> 01:25:32,085
<i>that that thing would
catch on the way it did.</i>

1556
01:25:32,711 --> 01:25:35,339
<i>The way it happened was my daughter took</i>

1557
01:25:35,505 --> 01:25:38,007
<i>an acetate of "Valley Girl"
to a station in Pasadena</i>

1558
01:25:38,091 --> 01:25:40,385
<i>called KROQ, and as
soon as they played it,</i>

1559
01:25:40,552 --> 01:25:43,096
<i>the phone started ringing,
and it became an instant hit.</i>

1560
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,530
<i>People loved it right away.</i>

1561
01:25:44,765 --> 01:25:46,433
Like, oh, my God.

1562
01:25:47,017 --> 01:25:48,894
<i>Meanwhile, I'm in Europe on a tour.</i>

1563
01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:51,355
<i>I don't even know I've got a hit record.</i>

1564
01:25:51,772 --> 01:25:54,941
<i>In 1982, you couldn't walk
around in the United States</i>

1565
01:25:55,108 --> 01:25:57,358
<i>without hearing something
about "Valley Girl."</i>

1566
01:25:57,653 --> 01:25:59,320
Next on Channel Five, it's awesome

1567
01:25:59,404 --> 01:26:00,488
'cause we're going to, like,

1568
01:26:00,572 --> 01:26:01,739
crank with the whole Zappa family.

1569
01:26:01,823 --> 01:26:03,283
For sure. Totally on evening news...

1570
01:26:03,367 --> 01:26:04,917
<i>And that was his first big hit.</i>

1571
01:26:05,243 --> 01:26:06,620
His only big hit.

1572
01:26:08,038 --> 01:26:11,792
<i>But it really came out of Moon</i>

1573
01:26:12,250 --> 01:26:14,086
wanting to spend time with her dad.

1574
01:26:16,838 --> 01:26:18,381
<i>What's happening in the future now?</i>

1575
01:26:18,465 --> 01:26:20,216
<i>Have you... Are you
planning a follow-up right away</i>

1576
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,968
<i>to cash in on the, uh,</i>

1577
01:26:22,177 --> 01:26:23,636
the audience's receptivity, or...

1578
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,346
No. As a matter of fact, the next thing

1579
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:28,517
that I'm going to do is go
out to, um, Cal-Arts tonight

1580
01:26:28,725 --> 01:26:31,144
and hear a couple of piano
players give a performance

1581
01:26:31,228 --> 01:26:33,939
<i>of some of my orchestra music.</i>

1582
01:26:40,737 --> 01:26:44,533
<i>So, there's "Valley Girl." A
success, mainstream success.</i>

1583
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:47,619
<i>But to Frank, it's like,
"Okay, what can I do now?</i>

1584
01:26:47,786 --> 01:26:49,203
<i>I've got people's attention."</i>

1585
01:26:49,287 --> 01:26:51,998
One. Two. Three.

1586
01:26:56,712 --> 01:26:58,588
<i>From everything I'd heard,</i>

1587
01:26:58,755 --> 01:27:00,966
<i>and heard about Zappa,</i>

1588
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,595
it just seemed like he
should write for Kronos.

1589
01:27:05,846 --> 01:27:07,931
Yeah. So, if we can play those longer,

1590
01:27:08,098 --> 01:27:09,682
I think that will be more effective.

1591
01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:11,435
How I... uh, what length?

1592
01:27:11,601 --> 01:27:13,895
I have a quarter note tie into...

1593
01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:16,481
- Oh, I see.
- It's very strange sheet music.

1594
01:27:16,648 --> 01:27:18,984
<i>I think the first time we spoke</i>

1595
01:27:19,151 --> 01:27:20,736
was after a concert.

1596
01:27:21,278 --> 01:27:25,157
I'm thinking '82, '83.

1597
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:28,368
Shortly after that is
when he began to write,

1598
01:27:29,578 --> 01:27:31,496
uh, the new piece for us.

1599
01:28:04,154 --> 01:28:08,450
I always appreciated the
fact that he taught himself.

1600
01:28:09,326 --> 01:28:10,952
<i>He went to the library as a kid,</i>

1601
01:28:11,119 --> 01:28:14,122
and he just checked out books
and stayed there and learned.

1602
01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:16,875
<i>For me, that's been a big inspiration.</i>

1603
01:28:17,793 --> 01:28:19,628
<i>When I think of Zappa's life's work,</i>

1604
01:28:20,003 --> 01:28:22,964
<i>I'm reminded of Charles Ives,</i>

1605
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:25,550
<i>Harry Partch, Sun Ra.</i>

1606
01:28:26,092 --> 01:28:28,887
<i>These are American experimentalists</i>

1607
01:28:29,054 --> 01:28:32,057
<i>that totally reimagined the way music</i>

1608
01:28:32,224 --> 01:28:34,893
<i>might be heard, might be composed.</i>

1609
01:28:36,228 --> 01:28:38,897
<i>And Zappa belongs in that tradition.</i>

1610
01:29:37,581 --> 01:29:38,998
<i>I still write orchestra music.</i>

1611
01:29:39,082 --> 01:29:41,082
<i>But, you know, nobody will ever hear it.</i>

1612
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:42,961
You sure?

1613
01:29:43,128 --> 01:29:45,171
Well, I don't wanna say never,

1614
01:29:45,338 --> 01:29:47,588
but, uh, the chances of
the music being played

1615
01:29:47,716 --> 01:29:50,969
are not very good because
every time we start negotiating

1616
01:29:51,136 --> 01:29:53,054
with somebody about
having a performance of it,

1617
01:29:53,138 --> 01:29:55,389
all these problems arise,
and it always comes down

1618
01:29:55,473 --> 01:29:58,017
to how much money they're
willing to spend to do it.

1619
01:29:58,101 --> 01:30:00,895
Because it... we've had some
offers from orchestras who say,

1620
01:30:00,979 --> 01:30:02,313
"Yeah, we'd love to play it,

1621
01:30:02,397 --> 01:30:03,898
but we'll give you two rehearsals."

1622
01:30:03,982 --> 01:30:05,900
And it's impossible to
play it in two rehearsals.

1623
01:30:05,984 --> 01:30:07,152
You just can't do it.

1624
01:30:07,319 --> 01:30:08,945
And I would rather not have it played

1625
01:30:09,029 --> 01:30:11,364
than to have somebody play it wrong.

1626
01:30:11,573 --> 01:30:13,773
<i>Tomorrow night, the
London Symphony Orchestra</i>

1627
01:30:13,867 --> 01:30:16,717
are giving a concert at their
home at the Barbican Centre.

1628
01:30:17,078 --> 01:30:19,121
<i>The program of orchestral
music they'll be playing</i>

1629
01:30:19,205 --> 01:30:21,166
is music written by the celebrated

1630
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:23,084
American rock star Frank Zappa.

1631
01:30:23,543 --> 01:30:25,878
<i>Robin Denselow has been
looking at the least known</i>

1632
01:30:25,962 --> 01:30:28,632
<i>and the least commercial
side of Zappa's art.</i>

1633
01:30:29,174 --> 01:30:31,676
<i>Frank Zappa has been
quietly writing pieces</i>

1634
01:30:31,843 --> 01:30:35,263
<i>for a full orchestra alongside
his rock work for years.</i>

1635
01:30:35,513 --> 01:30:37,163
<i>For their first ever performance,</i>

1636
01:30:37,265 --> 01:30:39,351
<i>he's using the London Symphony Orchestra.</i>

1637
01:30:39,517 --> 01:30:43,021
<i>The conductor, Kent
Nagano, was chosen by Zappa.</i>

1638
01:30:43,188 --> 01:30:45,607
<i>Do you expect to actually make any money</i>

1639
01:30:45,774 --> 01:30:47,608
<i>out of the concert and the recordings</i>

1640
01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:48,985
that you've come here to make

1641
01:30:49,069 --> 01:30:50,487
- with the ISO?
- No. No.

1642
01:30:50,654 --> 01:30:51,947
Why then do you do it?

1643
01:30:52,113 --> 01:30:55,408
Well, I think that any artistic
decision that is based on

1644
01:30:55,575 --> 01:30:57,743
whether or not you're going
to make money is not really

1645
01:30:57,827 --> 01:31:00,956
an artistic decision.
It's a business decision.

1646
01:31:01,539 --> 01:31:03,708
And there are a lot
of things that I can do

1647
01:31:03,875 --> 01:31:05,126
to earn a living

1648
01:31:05,293 --> 01:31:07,044
and a lot of things
that I have already done

1649
01:31:07,128 --> 01:31:09,338
to earn a living, which
have produced the amount

1650
01:31:09,422 --> 01:31:11,883
of, uh, capital needed
to do this project.

1651
01:31:12,050 --> 01:31:15,303
I came here to spend
money on an English orchestra

1652
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:18,014
to record my music so I can take it home

1653
01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:19,766
and I can listen to it.

1654
01:31:19,933 --> 01:31:22,852
And if somebody else
likes that kind of stuff,

1655
01:31:23,019 --> 01:31:24,812
I will make it available on a record

1656
01:31:24,896 --> 01:31:26,439
so that they can hear it.

1657
01:31:26,606 --> 01:31:29,506
That is my part of the public
service of spending the money

1658
01:31:29,609 --> 01:31:31,319
to make this event happen.

1659
01:31:31,486 --> 01:31:33,113
No foundation grant,

1660
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:34,948
no government assistance,

1661
01:31:35,115 --> 01:31:36,533
no corporation,

1662
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:37,867
no committee.

1663
01:31:38,034 --> 01:31:41,121
Just a crazy guy who spent the money

1664
01:31:41,287 --> 01:31:45,291
to hire English musicians to
do a concert at the Barbican

1665
01:31:45,458 --> 01:31:48,712
and make an album for
Barking Pumpkin Records.

1666
01:31:49,087 --> 01:31:52,215
How do you get the
London Symphony Orchestra

1667
01:31:52,382 --> 01:31:53,299
to do your stuff?

1668
01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,719
- You pay them.
- Yeah.

1669
01:31:56,052 --> 01:31:58,513
But isn't this a really
prestigious organization?

1670
01:31:58,680 --> 01:31:59,681
Of course.

1671
01:31:59,889 --> 01:32:01,349
So, you pay them a lot of money.

1672
01:32:01,433 --> 01:32:02,892
Yeah.

1673
01:32:03,059 --> 01:32:06,354
It's just as serious to write
a song like "Valley Girl"

1674
01:32:07,105 --> 01:32:10,358
as it is to write the ballet
called <i>Mo 'N Herb's Vacation.</i>

1675
01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:13,570
To me, they're equally
serious problems in music.

1676
01:32:15,864 --> 01:32:18,214
<i>Unless they have
sufficient time to rehearse it,</i>

1677
01:32:18,324 --> 01:32:20,326
<i>the chances of an
absolutely perfect performance</i>

1678
01:32:20,410 --> 01:32:21,411
<i>are not good.</i>

1679
01:32:21,578 --> 01:32:23,128
<i>Now, uh, how close did you get?</i>

1680
01:32:23,288 --> 01:32:26,458
I would say that we're up
to about 75% on this record.

1681
01:32:26,624 --> 01:32:29,794
So, you could you take
a look, please, at 159?

1682
01:32:31,504 --> 01:32:34,924
<i>The inhabitants here do
not have the intelligence</i>

1683
01:32:35,091 --> 01:32:37,177
<i>to be utilized anymore.</i>

1684
01:32:37,761 --> 01:32:39,763
<i>So, man built me.</i>

1685
01:32:40,847 --> 01:32:42,682
<i>Human beings are expensive.</i>

1686
01:32:43,308 --> 01:32:46,686
<i>If given the choice between
not making music at all</i>

1687
01:32:46,853 --> 01:32:49,689
<i>or making music in a medium
that a person can afford,</i>

1688
01:32:49,856 --> 01:32:52,400
<i>I will make music in
a medium I can afford.</i>

1689
01:32:53,068 --> 01:32:55,070
<i>Ergo, the machine.</i>

1690
01:32:57,197 --> 01:33:00,283
<i>I had bought the
Synclavier and started doing</i>

1691
01:33:00,450 --> 01:33:02,535
<i>all the composition in that medium</i>

1692
01:33:02,702 --> 01:33:04,752
<i>because you can write
it the way you want,</i>

1693
01:33:04,913 --> 01:33:06,748
<i>and you get to conduct it also.</i>

1694
01:33:06,915 --> 01:33:10,126
<i>Even have it executed at
any speed or any amplitude.</i>

1695
01:33:10,293 --> 01:33:13,004
<i>You can control all the
nuances of the performance.</i>

1696
01:33:13,797 --> 01:33:15,423
<i>I would rather do it myself</i>

1697
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:17,801
<i>than give it to somebody else to do.</i>

1698
01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:34,692
Okay, Ahmet.

1699
01:33:35,819 --> 01:33:38,988
Stop the game, and I want
to... And have him get some

1700
01:33:39,155 --> 01:33:40,655
pictures of you with the clay.

1701
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:43,451
I don't have any clay. Thanks.

1702
01:33:43,618 --> 01:33:45,536
There's 1,000 pounds of
it around here some place.

1703
01:33:45,620 --> 01:33:47,705
There's 1,000 pounds
right behind you, Ahmet.

1704
01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:49,082
Don't lie.

1705
01:33:58,049 --> 01:33:59,341
What do you want me to build?

1706
01:33:59,425 --> 01:34:00,552
Whatever you want.

1707
01:34:19,195 --> 01:34:21,823
<i>It's not easy to keep converting capital</i>

1708
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:24,784
<i>from doing other things
and to reinvesting in it</i>

1709
01:34:24,951 --> 01:34:26,911
<i>to doing that kind of stuff
because there's no way</i>

1710
01:34:26,995 --> 01:34:28,788
<i>that the music that I'm working on</i>

1711
01:34:28,955 --> 01:34:30,748
<i>is gonna pay its own way.</i>

1712
01:34:33,501 --> 01:34:35,711
<i>But I would rather do it
this way than to rely on</i>

1713
01:34:35,795 --> 01:34:39,215
a government or to rely on, uh, you know,

1714
01:34:39,382 --> 01:34:41,482
a king or a duke or
somebody who, you know,

1715
01:34:41,634 --> 01:34:43,803
wants to take drastic
action if he doesn't approve

1716
01:34:43,887 --> 01:34:45,138
of your work of art.

1717
01:34:45,471 --> 01:34:46,848
You know, forget that.

1718
01:34:47,891 --> 01:34:50,768
Do you still think that
music students in universities

1719
01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:53,385
are studying a dead
language in a dead institution

1720
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,274
by dead professors, and
would you explain why?

1721
01:34:57,817 --> 01:34:59,360
Well, yes.

1722
01:35:02,363 --> 01:35:05,533
Because a lot of times, uh,
composers will come to me,

1723
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:07,744
and they'll say, "Well, what do I do?"

1724
01:35:07,911 --> 01:35:09,703
And I tell them, "Get
a real estate license

1725
01:35:09,787 --> 01:35:12,790
because if you expect to
write music in the United States,

1726
01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:14,834
what are you gonna do for a living?"

1727
01:35:15,376 --> 01:35:17,826
If you want to be a
composer in the United States,

1728
01:35:17,962 --> 01:35:20,089
you must write for the media.

1729
01:35:20,256 --> 01:35:22,258
You can't just write music
because you're writing music.

1730
01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:24,392
You have to have some other kind of a job

1731
01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:25,762
to support your habit.

1732
01:35:25,929 --> 01:35:29,557
And, uh, it's a sad story, but it's true.

1733
01:35:35,188 --> 01:35:37,732
♪ <i>Your mouth ♪</i>

1734
01:35:37,899 --> 01:35:40,401
♪ <i>ls your religion</i> ♪

1735
01:35:41,986 --> 01:35:46,616
<i>♪ 'Cause what they do in Washington ♪</i>

1736
01:35:46,991 --> 01:35:49,535
♪ <i>They just takes care</i> ♪

1737
01:35:50,036 --> 01:35:52,747
♪ <i>Of number one</i> ♪

1738
01:35:53,081 --> 01:35:57,252
♪ <i>And number one ain't you</i> ♪

1739
01:35:59,587 --> 01:36:02,257
♪ <i>You ain't even</i> ♪

1740
01:36:02,423 --> 01:36:04,550
♪ <i>Number two</i> ♪

1741
01:36:14,519 --> 01:36:17,188
<i>This is ABC News Nightline.</i>

1742
01:36:17,563 --> 01:36:20,316
<i>Reporting from Washington, Ted Koppel.</i>

1743
01:36:20,483 --> 01:36:22,193
A lot of people, and they are becoming

1744
01:36:22,277 --> 01:36:23,569
increasingly vocal,

1745
01:36:23,736 --> 01:36:26,155
find the songs and the
rock video performances

1746
01:36:26,322 --> 01:36:28,074
that go with them offensive.

1747
01:36:28,241 --> 01:36:30,451
<i>One group of parents has
heard more than enough.</i>

1748
01:36:30,535 --> 01:36:32,119
<i>The Parents Music Resource Center</i>

1749
01:36:32,203 --> 01:36:34,413
<i>wants a labelling system
for albums and tapes,</i>

1750
01:36:34,497 --> 01:36:36,332
<i>much like movies are rated today.</i>

1751
01:36:36,499 --> 01:36:38,167
<i>Later this month, a Senate committee</i>

1752
01:36:38,251 --> 01:36:39,543
<i>will hold hearings on the question.</i>

1753
01:36:39,627 --> 01:36:41,477
<i>A tribute to the clout of the center,</i>

1754
01:36:41,629 --> 01:36:43,423
<i>whose members include Susan Baker,</i>

1755
01:36:43,589 --> 01:36:45,539
<i>wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker.</i>

1756
01:36:45,675 --> 01:36:47,635
"Guess you could say she was a sex fiend.

1757
01:36:47,719 --> 01:36:50,596
I met her in a hotel lobby,
masturbating with a magazine."

1758
01:36:50,930 --> 01:36:52,765
<i>Frank Zappa is one
of the few rock artists</i>

1759
01:36:52,849 --> 01:36:55,017
<i>to come out openly
against the labeling effort.</i>

1760
01:36:55,101 --> 01:36:56,978
I mean, if it looks like censorship

1761
01:36:57,145 --> 01:36:59,230
and it smells like
censorship, it is censorship

1762
01:36:59,314 --> 01:37:01,148
no matter whose wife is talking about it.

1763
01:37:01,232 --> 01:37:02,233
It's censorship.

1764
01:37:02,442 --> 01:37:03,734
The analogy you draw is a...

1765
01:37:03,818 --> 01:37:07,113
<i>Frank was being called
upon by Ted Koppel and CNN</i>

1766
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,614
<i>and Larry King</i>

1767
01:37:08,781 --> 01:37:10,581
<i>and a lot of mainstream news outlets</i>

1768
01:37:10,742 --> 01:37:12,618
<i>to come on and talk about this stuff.</i>

1769
01:37:13,077 --> 01:37:15,577
<i>Well, he had cleaned up
his act sartorially so much</i>

1770
01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:18,583
<i>that he was no longer
visually the freak from the '60s.</i>

1771
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:21,627
<i>"He was somebody that
understood that "If I'm gonna do battle</i>

1772
01:37:21,711 --> 01:37:23,462
<i>with these people, I need to like, uh,</i>

1773
01:37:23,546 --> 01:37:25,006
<i>"come to them on their turf."</i>

1774
01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:26,507
And they're taking a right away from him.

1775
01:37:26,591 --> 01:37:30,053
Frank became the go-to
person for comments

1776
01:37:30,219 --> 01:37:32,429
to deal with record rating
because nobody else

1777
01:37:32,513 --> 01:37:34,265
in the record industry showed up.

1778
01:37:34,766 --> 01:37:36,642
I think that they're probably
concerned about airplay,

1779
01:37:36,726 --> 01:37:38,519
and they're probably
concerned about their careers,

1780
01:37:38,603 --> 01:37:40,604
and they're probably
concerned about, uh, you know,

1781
01:37:40,688 --> 01:37:42,189
taking a chance and opening their mouth.

1782
01:37:42,273 --> 01:37:43,983
But I don't speak for them.

1783
01:37:44,150 --> 01:37:46,110
I don't speak for the
rest of the record industry.

1784
01:37:46,194 --> 01:37:48,404
I speak as a private citizen,

1785
01:37:48,571 --> 01:37:52,450
as a middle-aged Italian father of four.

1786
01:37:52,617 --> 01:37:55,370
I got concerns here
about what's gonna happen

1787
01:37:55,536 --> 01:37:58,498
to the right to have free
speech and right to assemble

1788
01:37:58,664 --> 01:38:00,833
and the right to have
somebody use your own words

1789
01:38:00,917 --> 01:38:03,336
against you in a legal situation.

1790
01:38:03,711 --> 01:38:05,861
<i>And nobody is sticking
their neck out to say</i>

1791
01:38:06,005 --> 01:38:07,590
<i>that it's all a bunch of crap.</i>

1792
01:38:09,133 --> 01:38:11,552
Mr. Zappa, thank you
very much for being with us.

1793
01:38:11,928 --> 01:38:13,137
Please proceed.

1794
01:38:13,971 --> 01:38:17,558
I've got an idea for a
way to stop all this stuff

1795
01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:20,978
and a way to give parents
what they really want,

1796
01:38:21,145 --> 01:38:23,606
which is information,
accurate information,

1797
01:38:23,773 --> 01:38:25,817
as to what is inside the album.

1798
01:38:26,484 --> 01:38:30,113
I have no objection to
having all of the lyrics

1799
01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:35,034
placed on the album
routinely all the time.

1800
01:38:35,618 --> 01:38:38,204
I think your suggestion
is, uh, is an intriguing one

1801
01:38:38,371 --> 01:38:39,921
and might really be a solution.

1802
01:38:40,123 --> 01:38:42,083
I think your suggestion is a good one

1803
01:38:42,250 --> 01:38:43,709
that they print those words.

1804
01:38:44,127 --> 01:38:45,461
That would go a long way

1805
01:38:45,628 --> 01:38:47,422
to satisfying everyone's objection.

1806
01:38:47,588 --> 01:38:49,588
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Hawkins.

1807
01:38:50,383 --> 01:38:51,983
<i>Frank would say it was a failure</i>

1808
01:38:52,135 --> 01:38:54,136
<i>because it still ended up with
the Parental Advisory sticker</i>

1809
01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:55,346
<i>on the thing.</i>

1810
01:38:55,513 --> 01:38:57,682
<i>But I think he made a difference there.</i>

1811
01:38:57,932 --> 01:39:00,309
<i>There were times that
I wished that he could</i>

1812
01:39:00,476 --> 01:39:02,311
<i>modulate his approach a little bit</i>

1813
01:39:02,478 --> 01:39:04,021
<i>with a little bit less anger.</i>

1814
01:39:04,188 --> 01:39:05,982
Sex equals sin.

1815
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:09,152
<i>But that anger resulted in
some wonderful moments</i>

1816
01:39:09,318 --> 01:39:11,320
<i>like the Crossfire with James Lofton.</i>

1817
01:39:11,487 --> 01:39:13,072
Do you think the founding fathers

1818
01:39:13,156 --> 01:39:15,324
really had the First
Amendment, that they gave us

1819
01:39:15,408 --> 01:39:18,286
the First Amendment to defend
songs that glorify Satanism

1820
01:39:18,453 --> 01:39:20,204
and incest and suicide?
Do you really believe that?

1821
01:39:20,288 --> 01:39:21,622
- Absolutely.
- You really believe that?

1822
01:39:21,706 --> 01:39:23,248
- Yeah, I believe it.
- You're an idiot then.

1823
01:39:23,332 --> 01:39:24,375
- Yeah?
- You're an idiot.

1824
01:39:24,459 --> 01:39:25,710
- Well, I'll tell you what.
- Kiss my...

1825
01:39:25,793 --> 01:39:26,835
How do you like that, buddy?

1826
01:39:26,919 --> 01:39:28,087
Well, take your teeth out.

1827
01:39:28,171 --> 01:39:31,132
I was surprised to see
you heading the protest.

1828
01:39:31,549 --> 01:39:33,259
Why wasn't someone like Prince

1829
01:39:33,426 --> 01:39:35,052
involved with you in that? I mean...

1830
01:39:35,136 --> 01:39:36,762
He should have been involved in it,

1831
01:39:36,846 --> 01:39:39,306
but I think that it's his
right to keep his mouth shut.

1832
01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:41,140
It's also Bruce Springsteen's right

1833
01:39:41,267 --> 01:39:43,519
to keep his mouth shut and anybody else

1834
01:39:43,686 --> 01:39:45,646
that they went after. They
never attacked my lyrics.

1835
01:39:45,730 --> 01:39:47,022
They attacked those people.

1836
01:39:47,106 --> 01:39:48,440
They even went after Michael Jackson.

1837
01:39:48,524 --> 01:39:50,109
But you fought real
hard for these people,

1838
01:39:50,193 --> 01:39:51,527
and it was never your music involved.

1839
01:39:51,611 --> 01:39:52,778
That's the thing that shocked me.

1840
01:39:52,862 --> 01:39:54,071
It's the principle of the thing.

1841
01:39:54,155 --> 01:39:56,198
We live in a country where
we're supposed to be free.

1842
01:39:56,282 --> 01:39:57,866
Take a look at what happened in China.

1843
01:39:57,950 --> 01:39:59,743
You got a bunch of kids
there who want democracy.

1844
01:39:59,827 --> 01:40:01,203
They don't even know what it is.

1845
01:40:01,287 --> 01:40:03,498
We supposedly have
it here, what do we do?

1846
01:40:04,165 --> 01:40:06,334
Sit around and go, hmm, hmm.

1847
01:40:06,501 --> 01:40:08,669
"Let somebody else
take care of it for me."

1848
01:40:29,232 --> 01:40:30,775
<i>From the very beginning,</i>

1849
01:40:31,108 --> 01:40:33,277
<i>there wasn't literally anything like it.</i>

1850
01:40:33,819 --> 01:40:37,323
As musicians, that was the
way that we spoke to each other.

1851
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:40,326
Like, instead of quoting
movies, we quoted Zappa.

1852
01:40:40,493 --> 01:40:41,744
♪ <i>It's about truth ♪</i>

1853
01:40:41,911 --> 01:40:43,037
♪ <i>Truth ♪</i>

1854
01:40:43,204 --> 01:40:45,414
And <i>it wasn't until I
started playing with him</i>

1855
01:40:45,498 --> 01:40:49,877
<i>that I realized that he
was fucking with America</i>

1856
01:40:50,044 --> 01:40:51,795
as much as he was
fucking around with music.

1857
01:40:51,879 --> 01:40:54,840
Like, America was just another canvas

1858
01:40:55,007 --> 01:40:56,307
<i>for him to do his shit on.</i>

1859
01:40:56,467 --> 01:40:59,428
This is working here.
Hello, which one's working?

1860
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:00,680
None.

1861
01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:07,103
This is censorship.

1862
01:41:09,981 --> 01:41:12,525
<i>How did he see himself in a world</i>

1863
01:41:12,692 --> 01:41:14,735
<i>that was literally going mad?</i>

1864
01:41:15,069 --> 01:41:16,696
He saw the big picture.

1865
01:41:17,321 --> 01:41:20,074
<i>I cannot imagine in any way</i>

1866
01:41:20,241 --> 01:41:22,952
<i>it could keep a man like him down.</i>

1867
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:25,871
<i>If anything, he would battle up</i>

1868
01:41:26,038 --> 01:41:29,625
<i>until the last drop of
his blood was shed.</i>

1869
01:41:30,001 --> 01:41:32,044
<i>Overrun by orcs, he doesn't give a shit.</i>

1870
01:41:33,087 --> 01:41:36,090
You cannot live your life as if you are

1871
01:41:36,257 --> 01:41:39,385
about to not be able
to do your life anymore.

1872
01:41:39,635 --> 01:41:40,511
You know?

1873
01:41:40,761 --> 01:41:43,806
Protesters:

1874
01:41:46,767 --> 01:41:48,602
<i>Czechoslovakia today became the latest</i>

1875
01:41:48,686 --> 01:41:50,729
<i>of the countries of
Eastern Europe once held</i>

1876
01:41:50,813 --> 01:41:53,149
<i>so tightly in the
Soviet grip to throw off</i>

1877
01:41:53,316 --> 01:41:55,234
<i>its hardline Communist yoke.</i>

1878
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:02,491
<i>I guess it was about a year before</i>

1879
01:42:02,575 --> 01:42:04,952
<i>the Velvet Revolution,
when I was visited here</i>

1880
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,121
<i>by a Czech composer.</i>

1881
01:42:07,663 --> 01:42:09,290
<i>And through the interpreter,</i>

1882
01:42:09,457 --> 01:42:13,544
he indicated that he wanted
to play some of my music

1883
01:42:13,711 --> 01:42:16,589
and wanted me to come
to Prague for the concert,

1884
01:42:16,756 --> 01:42:19,300
and I thought, well, the
chances of me doing that

1885
01:42:19,467 --> 01:42:22,637
<i>were pretty unlikely because
Czechoslovakia was pretty grim.</i>

1886
01:42:22,928 --> 01:42:25,478
<i>And the next thing I knew,
they had this revolution,</i>

1887
01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:28,225
<i>and this composer was
a member of parliament.</i>

1888
01:42:29,268 --> 01:42:31,896
<i>And I'd already made four
trips to the Soviet Union</i>

1889
01:42:32,063 --> 01:42:34,523
<i>and had been trying to
develop some East-West</i>

1890
01:42:34,732 --> 01:42:35,858
<i>international trade.</i>

1891
01:42:36,025 --> 01:42:37,568
Boy, is it cold here.

1892
01:42:37,735 --> 01:42:41,614
<i>And I arranged to come
to Prague on my way</i>

1893
01:42:42,156 --> 01:42:44,533
<i>back to the United States from Moscow.</i>

1894
01:42:44,784 --> 01:42:47,119
<i>And it was during my Prague visit,</i>

1895
01:42:47,286 --> 01:42:49,186
<i>I proposed to them that if they needed</i>

1896
01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:51,280
<i>some sort of representation in the West</i>

1897
01:42:51,415 --> 01:42:55,920
<i>to help them get investment
or whatever they needed to do,</i>

1898
01:42:56,087 --> 01:42:58,255
<i>that I would be interested in doing that.</i>

1899
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:03,135
<i>So, when I got off the plane,
there was 5, 000 people</i>

1900
01:43:03,219 --> 01:43:05,304
<i>waving at me. And, uh, you know,</i>

1901
01:43:05,471 --> 01:43:08,121
<i>never before in my life
had I seen anything like that.</i>

1902
01:43:08,224 --> 01:43:10,726
<i>Get off the plane,</i>

1903
01:43:10,893 --> 01:43:12,311
<i>and, you know, there's a lot of people,</i>

1904
01:43:12,395 --> 01:43:14,646
<i>but there's no police,
and there's no bodyguards.</i>

1905
01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:16,732
<i>There's no nothing. Just
people waving at you.</i>

1906
01:43:16,816 --> 01:43:19,568
<i>That's nice until you
go through the airport</i>

1907
01:43:19,819 --> 01:43:21,320
<i>and they start piling on you.</i>

1908
01:43:21,696 --> 01:43:24,281
<i>And to get from the door
of the airport to the minibus</i>

1909
01:43:24,365 --> 01:43:26,325
<i>that was going to take us to the hotel</i>

1910
01:43:26,492 --> 01:43:28,285
<i>took about 40 minutes.</i>

1911
01:43:30,329 --> 01:43:32,479
<i>When Frank was there,
it was like, Frank was</i>

1912
01:43:32,748 --> 01:43:34,124
<i>the President of the United States</i>

1913
01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:35,334
<i>coming to visit.</i>

1914
01:43:36,961 --> 01:43:39,338
<i>And Frank was trying to figure out</i>

1915
01:43:39,505 --> 01:43:41,882
<i>why was everyone there
so happy to see him?</i>

1916
01:43:43,008 --> 01:43:46,929
<i>And evidently, in Czechoslovakia,</i>

1917
01:43:47,096 --> 01:43:49,765
<i>when young kids played rock music,</i>

1918
01:43:49,932 --> 01:43:51,183
<i>the police would tell them,</i>

1919
01:43:51,267 --> 01:43:52,977
<i>"Turn off that Frank Zappa music."</i>

1920
01:43:54,562 --> 01:43:56,562
<i>And all of a sudden, here's Frank Zappa.</i>

1921
01:43:58,274 --> 01:44:01,110
<i>He was symbol of this freedom,</i>

1922
01:44:02,445 --> 01:44:04,595
<i>which is incredible
when you think about it.</i>

1923
01:44:05,072 --> 01:44:06,657
<i>He had that kind of effect.</i>

1924
01:44:08,617 --> 01:44:11,579
<i>It was like the king of
freedom had showed up.</i>

1925
01:44:11,787 --> 01:44:14,123
<i>I mean, Frank was shocked.</i>

1926
01:44:19,712 --> 01:44:21,714
♪ <i>Freedom, freedom ♪</i>

1927
01:44:21,881 --> 01:44:23,466
♪ <i>Kindly, loving ♪</i>

1928
01:44:23,674 --> 01:44:25,092
<i>Rock musician Frank Zappa,</i>

1929
01:44:25,259 --> 01:44:26,802
who's always been
something of a maverick,

1930
01:44:26,886 --> 01:44:29,012
has just returned from a
trip to the Soviet U nion

1931
01:44:29,096 --> 01:44:31,807
and Czechoslovakia. And in Prague,

1932
01:44:31,974 --> 01:44:33,476
<i>he met with Václav Havel,</i>

1933
01:44:33,642 --> 01:44:35,686
<i>now the President of Czechoslovakia.</i>

1934
01:44:35,853 --> 01:44:37,688
<i>He also visited the Czech parliament</i>

1935
01:44:37,855 --> 01:44:40,316
<i>and was named the Czech Cultural</i>

1936
01:44:40,483 --> 01:44:42,733
<i>and Trade Representative
to the United States.</i>

1937
01:44:42,985 --> 01:44:44,319
And Frank Zappa joins us this morning.

1938
01:44:44,403 --> 01:44:45,779
- Good morning.
- Good morning.

1939
01:44:45,863 --> 01:44:47,656
Twenty years ago, did you think that

1940
01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:49,617
- this would be your occupation?
- No.

1941
01:44:49,784 --> 01:44:51,660
What are the job specifications?

1942
01:44:51,827 --> 01:44:54,497
I'm supposed to represent them for trade,

1943
01:44:54,663 --> 01:44:58,125
for tourism, and for cultural matters.

1944
01:44:58,918 --> 01:44:59,919
Only rock business?

1945
01:45:00,085 --> 01:45:02,535
No, no, it's got nothing
to do with rock and roll.

1946
01:45:02,922 --> 01:45:04,464
So, is this Frank Zappa the businessman

1947
01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:06,675
who's coming to the
fore and not the rocker?

1948
01:45:06,759 --> 01:45:08,427
Well, let's say that
Frank Zappa the rocker

1949
01:45:08,511 --> 01:45:11,889
has been pretty much
excluded from US broadcasting.

1950
01:45:12,056 --> 01:45:14,850
So, Frank Zappa the rocker
will now do something else.

1951
01:45:15,893 --> 01:45:18,813
<i>It turns out that, uh,
when he had testified</i>

1952
01:45:19,021 --> 01:45:20,397
<i>before Congress, uh,</i>

1953
01:45:20,564 --> 01:45:22,816
<i>our fine Secretary of State
at the time, James Baker,</i>

1954
01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:24,985
<i>his wife had been involved in the, uh,</i>

1955
01:45:25,152 --> 01:45:28,489
<i>little Washington clubs
going to save the world.</i>

1956
01:45:28,781 --> 01:45:31,534
<i>And James Baker went to Czechoslovakia,</i>

1957
01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:33,452
<i>and he had told the Czech government</i>

1958
01:45:33,536 --> 01:45:34,995
<i>that if they wanted anything to do</i>

1959
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:36,580
<i>with the United States
government anymore,</i>

1960
01:45:36,664 --> 01:45:38,791
<i>if they wanted aid or help or anything</i>

1961
01:45:39,416 --> 01:45:41,376
<i>that they would have to
get rid of this association</i>

1962
01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:42,711
<i>with Frank Zappa.</i>

1963
01:45:47,591 --> 01:45:51,262
<i>Our primary purpose is to
educate and inform parents</i>

1964
01:45:51,428 --> 01:45:53,138
<i>about this alarming trend, as well as</i>

1965
01:45:53,222 --> 01:45:56,100
<i>to ask the industry to
exercise self-restraint.</i>

1966
01:45:56,433 --> 01:45:59,019
<i>Some say there's no cause for concern.</i>

1967
01:45:59,186 --> 01:46:00,729
<i>We believe there is.</i>

1968
01:46:04,191 --> 01:46:05,192
Thank you.

1969
01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:06,959
<i>When we were on the road in '88,</i>

1970
01:46:07,069 --> 01:46:08,654
<i>he was already feeling poorly.</i>

1971
01:46:08,821 --> 01:46:11,948
But, you know, he had been
told it was various other conditions,

1972
01:46:12,032 --> 01:46:13,868
various and he was... he was trying

1973
01:46:14,034 --> 01:46:15,577
different ways to deal with it.

1974
01:46:15,661 --> 01:46:18,111
But, you know, he was
getting sicker all the time.

1975
01:46:18,539 --> 01:46:21,709
<i>He retired from the concert stage</i>

1976
01:46:22,042 --> 01:46:25,129
<i>at the same time that
his illness was coming on.</i>

1977
01:46:27,006 --> 01:46:28,799
<i>We sat in the... in the control room,</i>

1978
01:46:28,883 --> 01:46:29,967
<i>and he...</i>

1979
01:46:31,385 --> 01:46:32,261
he said, uh,

1980
01:46:32,428 --> 01:46:34,095
"Well, like, you know, I've
got some news for you ."

1981
01:46:34,179 --> 01:46:35,555
And I said, "What?" And he said,

1982
01:46:35,639 --> 01:46:37,599
"I've just been diagnosed
with prostate cancer."

1983
01:46:37,683 --> 01:46:39,852
And he sat back and took a huge drag off

1984
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,396
his cigarette and looked resolute

1985
01:46:42,563 --> 01:46:45,190
and, you know, and somewhat, you know,

1986
01:46:45,357 --> 01:46:48,319
like, you know, "Fuck
that." You know, like it's,

1987
01:46:48,485 --> 01:46:49,945
uh, you know, "I've just been diagnosed"

1988
01:46:50,029 --> 01:46:51,780
with prostate cancer." He knew the...

1989
01:46:51,864 --> 01:46:53,990
What the effect of those
words were going to be,

1990
01:46:54,074 --> 01:46:56,744
but he also gave off this attitude of...

1991
01:46:56,911 --> 01:46:59,561
"It's not gonna stop me
from doing what I have to do."

1992
01:47:17,306 --> 01:47:20,309
And <i>politically, I am
in the process of, uh,</i>

1993
01:47:20,476 --> 01:47:24,563
doing what we call a
feasibility study to see,

1994
01:47:25,105 --> 01:47:27,455
uh, if it's possible for
me to run for President

1995
01:47:27,566 --> 01:47:29,818
of the United States against George Bush.

1996
01:47:31,654 --> 01:47:33,781
That's quite a comment.

1997
01:47:34,823 --> 01:47:36,123
You feel there's a chance?

1998
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:39,244
Uh, yes. Not a good one

1999
01:47:39,411 --> 01:47:41,663
<i>because, you know, he
has more balloons than I do.</i>

2000
01:47:41,747 --> 01:47:43,540
<i>Makes a lot of sense.</i>

2001
01:47:43,707 --> 01:47:46,752
<i>The next time I interview
you, I may be calling you</i>

2002
01:47:46,919 --> 01:47:49,463
<i>Mr. President instead of Mr. Zappa.</i>

2003
01:47:51,256 --> 01:47:52,424
Maybe.

2004
01:47:54,677 --> 01:47:56,136
<i>Do any of these things work?</i>

2005
01:48:00,766 --> 01:48:02,392
Uh, we're here to make a statement

2006
01:48:02,476 --> 01:48:03,978
on behalf of our family.

2007
01:48:05,229 --> 01:48:07,731
Although Frank was
looking forward to being here

2008
01:48:07,898 --> 01:48:09,858
and really intended to be here,

2009
01:48:10,109 --> 01:48:12,486
unfortunately, he's not here.

2010
01:48:13,404 --> 01:48:15,781
As many of you know, he's been diagnosed

2011
01:48:15,948 --> 01:48:18,200
by journalists as having cancer.

2012
01:48:19,201 --> 01:48:22,121
We'd like you to know
his doctors have diagnosed

2013
01:48:22,287 --> 01:48:26,458
prostate cancer, which he's
been fighting successfully,

2014
01:48:27,084 --> 01:48:30,421
and he has been feeling
well and working too hard

2015
01:48:30,587 --> 01:48:32,089
<i>and planned to attend...</i>

2016
01:48:34,383 --> 01:48:35,968
<i>You're a legendary workaholic.</i>

2017
01:48:36,135 --> 01:48:37,594
<i>- Are you able to work?</i>
- Not anymore.

2018
01:48:37,678 --> 01:48:39,888
Not anymore. Tell me.

2019
01:48:40,305 --> 01:48:43,767
Uh, basically on a good
day, I can go 9:30 to 6:30.

2020
01:48:45,102 --> 01:48:46,502
It's really slowed you down.

2021
01:48:46,603 --> 01:48:49,565
- Yeah.
- Has being sick affected

2022
01:48:49,732 --> 01:48:51,858
your music, what kind
of music you're writing?

2023
01:48:51,942 --> 01:48:52,943
No.

2024
01:48:54,111 --> 01:48:57,614
Can you tell me a little bit
about how you've been doing?

2025
01:48:58,365 --> 01:49:00,200
- Uh, fair.
- Fair?

2026
01:49:00,367 --> 01:49:01,994
Yeah. Good days, bad days.

2027
01:49:02,161 --> 01:49:04,163
More bad days than good days?

2028
01:49:06,123 --> 01:49:07,124
Yeah.

2029
01:49:12,087 --> 01:49:14,214
Let's do it. Tell her to hurry.

2030
01:49:16,633 --> 01:49:18,426
Yeah, she's got to cover up the results

2031
01:49:18,510 --> 01:49:20,637
of my botched transfusion here.

2032
01:49:26,435 --> 01:49:27,394
Ready?

2033
01:49:38,822 --> 01:49:41,325
<i>He is diagnosed, and he really,</i>

2034
01:49:41,492 --> 01:49:43,494
<i>uh, started working in earnest.</i>

2035
01:49:44,036 --> 01:49:47,498
<i>And that in some ways,
I think, was intentionally</i>

2036
01:49:47,664 --> 01:49:50,918
<i>a summing up while he was
ill in the last couple years.</i>

2037
01:50:33,961 --> 01:50:36,338
<i>One of the things that Frank loved</i>

2038
01:50:36,755 --> 01:50:40,300
<i>was musicians that really
loved what they were doing,</i>

2039
01:50:40,467 --> 01:50:44,805
<i>and enjoyed playing</i>

2040
01:50:44,972 --> 01:50:48,058
<i>to the best of their
ability and took great pride</i>

2041
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:50,978
<i>in the composer's music.</i>

2042
01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:54,189
<i>There was not enough through the years.</i>

2043
01:50:54,398 --> 01:50:56,748
You know, Frank dealt
with orchestras that were,

2044
01:50:56,859 --> 01:51:00,028
you know, basically paid and came in

2045
01:51:00,195 --> 01:51:03,031
and did their job just by,
"Okay, here's another chart."

2046
01:51:03,198 --> 01:51:05,659
But then through the
years, the... his music

2047
01:51:05,826 --> 01:51:08,036
as it started touching
more younger people

2048
01:51:08,203 --> 01:51:10,539
who were growing up
and taking up instruments,

2049
01:51:11,331 --> 01:51:13,584
<i>some of them had a deep desire</i>

2050
01:51:13,959 --> 01:51:17,462
to play Frank's music that way.

2051
01:51:18,505 --> 01:51:21,800
<i>So, when Frank discovered
the Ensemble Modern,</i>

2052
01:51:22,467 --> 01:51:26,930
<i>this is a group of musicians
that wanted to play his music</i>

2053
01:51:27,806 --> 01:51:30,434
<i>on a level that was yet to be achieved.</i>

2054
01:51:33,937 --> 01:51:36,732
<i>When the final event is put together,</i>

2055
01:51:37,065 --> 01:51:40,235
I will make some
structure out of what worked

2056
01:51:40,402 --> 01:51:41,653
during the rehearsal.

2057
01:51:43,530 --> 01:51:45,830
<i>At the end of the day,
you'll have it on paper.</i>

2058
01:51:45,949 --> 01:51:47,408
And you'll be able to read it.

2059
01:51:47,492 --> 01:51:48,410
Okay?

2060
01:51:51,079 --> 01:51:54,791
Okay, so watch, and I'll just
move the pitch around the room.

2061
01:52:13,268 --> 01:52:15,520
And instead of just playing
your note, style the note.

2062
01:52:15,604 --> 01:52:18,189
Put some sort of different
vibrato rates on it, you know,

2063
01:52:18,273 --> 01:52:20,233
your... that's the one
note you have in life.

2064
01:52:20,317 --> 01:52:22,467
You're really gonna
play the shit out of it.

2065
01:52:22,569 --> 01:52:25,322
And your big chance to
be a star with one note.

2066
01:52:25,489 --> 01:52:26,573
Here we go.

2067
01:52:41,922 --> 01:52:43,966
<i>He worked lots of different</i>

2068
01:52:44,132 --> 01:52:45,717
<i>projects simultaneously.</i>

2069
01:52:46,093 --> 01:52:49,429
<i>But that shifted when it
was becoming more obvious</i>

2070
01:52:49,596 --> 01:52:51,931
<i>that he wasn't gonna have
the time that he needed.</i>

2071
01:52:52,015 --> 01:52:55,352
<i>And then I think he
set up priorities himself.</i>

2072
01:52:55,894 --> 01:52:58,563
Went too fast. Da-da, da-da.

2073
01:53:03,277 --> 01:53:05,654
There's nothing weird
about the tempo relations.

2074
01:53:05,821 --> 01:53:08,657
There's nothing science
fiction about this tempo.

2075
01:53:11,827 --> 01:53:12,828
Yeah.

2076
01:53:13,036 --> 01:53:15,414
<i>You make decisions
about what you can finish,</i>

2077
01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:17,874
<i>what's really important to finish,</i>

2078
01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:21,086
<i>which, you know,</i>

2079
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,089
<i>is another kind of composition.</i>

2080
01:53:28,552 --> 01:53:29,970
I see what it is.

2081
01:56:11,548 --> 01:56:13,883
<i>I had written a letter
that I had hand-delivered</i>

2082
01:56:13,967 --> 01:56:15,051
<i>to the house</i>

2083
01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:18,502
<i>when I really thought I was
not going to see him again.</i>

2084
01:56:19,931 --> 01:56:21,683
<i>It was essentially...</i>

2085
01:56:22,267 --> 01:56:25,770
a letter of love and gratitude...

2086
01:56:31,067 --> 01:56:33,278
for everything he had done in the world.

2087
01:56:33,904 --> 01:56:35,822
And not just the world of music

2088
01:56:36,573 --> 01:56:38,492
and not just my little life

2089
01:56:39,201 --> 01:56:40,785
but the world.

2090
01:56:42,329 --> 01:56:43,288
And so...

2091
01:56:44,331 --> 01:56:47,459
I asked him to read
it after I would leave.

2092
01:56:47,626 --> 01:56:49,976
<i>Of course, he opened
it right while I was there.</i>

2093
01:56:50,754 --> 01:56:54,174
<i>He read it, and he said, um,</i>

2094
01:56:54,841 --> 01:56:56,426
<i>he was not effusive.</i>

2095
01:56:56,593 --> 01:56:58,219
<i>I didn't expect him to be, but he said,</i>

2096
01:56:58,303 --> 01:57:00,847
<i>"That is really, really nice."</i>

2097
01:57:01,556 --> 01:57:03,099
And he hugged me.

2098
01:57:03,266 --> 01:57:05,727
And he looked like he
was in so much pain,

2099
01:57:05,894 --> 01:57:07,187
and he hugged me.

2100
01:57:20,450 --> 01:57:22,619
But nothing. It fucking sucked.

2101
01:57:27,332 --> 01:57:29,251
<i>Before Frank died, he said,</i>

2102
01:57:29,417 --> 01:57:31,085
<i>"Sell everything, and
get out of this business.</i>

2103
01:57:31,169 --> 01:57:33,129
It's hateful, and take, you know,

2104
01:57:33,296 --> 01:57:35,796
go get a house at the
beach, and have a good time."

2105
01:57:37,384 --> 01:57:40,762
<i>So, there you have it in a nutshell.</i>

2106
01:58:04,369 --> 01:58:05,537
Thank you.

2107
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,501
<i>You got an extraordinary reaction.</i>

2108
01:59:34,668 --> 01:59:37,671
<i>I mean, 20-minute standing ovation.</i>

2109
01:59:38,672 --> 01:59:40,799
<i>How do you feel about that?</i>

2110
01:59:40,965 --> 01:59:42,967
Well, uh, there's no
accounting for taste.

2111
01:59:43,051 --> 01:59:44,511
Oh, come on.

2112
01:59:44,678 --> 01:59:46,179
You must have been thrilled.

2113
01:59:46,554 --> 01:59:49,766
I was. I was happier that they did that

2114
01:59:49,933 --> 01:59:51,833
rather than throw things at the stage.

2115
02:01:36,873 --> 02:01:37,999
<i>We were loud.</i>

2116
02:01:39,209 --> 02:01:40,376
<i>We were coarse.</i>

2117
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,463
<i>And we were strange.</i>

2118
02:01:44,923 --> 02:01:48,218
<i>And if anybody in the audience
ever gave us any trouble,</i>

2119
02:01:48,885 --> 02:01:50,386
<i>we'd tell them to fuck off.</i>

2120
02:07:17,797 --> 02:07:21,968
<i>This is the Central Scrutinizer.</i>

2121
02:07:22,510 --> 02:07:25,346
<i>Joe has just worked himself</i>

2122
02:07:25,596 --> 02:07:28,141
<i>into an imaginary frenzy</i>

2123
02:07:28,307 --> 02:07:30,059
<i>during the fade-out</i>

2124
02:07:30,226 --> 02:07:32,562
<i>of his imaginary song.</i>

2125
02:07:33,479 --> 02:07:36,649
<i>He begins to feel depressed now.</i>

2126
02:07:36,816 --> 02:07:40,695
<i>He knows the end is near.</i>